Skip to comments.An Inconvenient Lawsuit: Teenagers Take Global Warming to the Courts
Posted on 05/12/2012 11:23:30 AM PDT by Twotone
Alec Loorz turns 18 at the end of this month. While finishing high school and playing Ultimate Frisbee on weekends, he's also suing the federal government in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C.
The Ventura, California, teen and four other juvenile plaintiffs want government officials to do more to prevent the risks of climate change -- the dangerous storms, heat waves, rising sea levels, and food-supply disruptions that scientists warn will threaten their generation absent a major turnabout in global energy policy. Specifically, the students are demanding that the U.S. government start reducing national emissions of carbon dioxide by at least six percent per year beginning in 2013.
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He watched Algore's propaganda film twice in one sitting and now he's a 17 year old "expert". Geeesh. Get a life boy!
Academia. Promoter of the radical Left.
If I had to raise my kids again, they would NEVER set foot in a government “school”. They would be home schooled and have a superior education by age 18. And they would not be liberal zombies like this poor kid who was betrayed by his parents....
Agreed. These morons are worried about food disruption and demand a decrease in CO2 levels. Guess they missed the part in science class about photosynthesis? Paging Occupy Wall Street, we have a pick up ready for 2 new volunteers.
prevent dangerous storms, heat waves, rising sea levels, and food-supply disruptions
this kid lives in a bubble
‘Alec Loorz turns 18 at the end of this month.’
And knows all things.
Talk about “Heads full of Mush!”
What a bunch of loons! Critical thinking here? Nah!!
And he still hasn't passed puberty.
Wow, isn't it amazing that those four kids raised enough money to hire a law firm to represent them in a federal lawsuit?
It's so inspiring that they worked so hard to raise that money for what they believe in. Rather than, for example, being used as mere useful idiot political fronts for wealthy socialist interests that would be paying the law firm to try to undermine freedom in America. Now THAT would be disgusting.
Any kid who watches the Weather Channel (run by NBC) may well have exactly the same views.
They constantly spew the doctrine of global warming.
What is the optimum climate? When was the climate NOT changing?
You have to be able to answer these questions to be taken seriously.
Does the judge have access to some sort of an S/M store or something where he could buy a paddle?
They don’t have standing. They can’t show they’ve been harmed because what they are concerned about, even if certain (and obviously predictions aren’t), hasn’t happened and caused them measurable harm.
That’s the argument that was used to deny standing to many of the suits against BHO’s eligibility. That was specious, because the harm of an unauthorized government is obvious, if unquantifiable. So, this one should be slapped down immediately.
Of course, that presumes a defense. If they are suing the US government, and Holder is charged with defending it, he might just roll over instead of defending the suit.
Born to be a narcissist.
But this kid is just another puppet. George Soros is in the background somewhere.
He needs the $$$ from the lawsuit to go pro in Ultimate Frisbee. He couldn't get a job, so he decided to sue!!
We need to sue his parents for RAISING a MORON!!
Apologies to Joe Walsh
I’ll take these kids seriously when they give up their smart phones and computers.
If I, as a [natural born] US citizen, have no legal standing to demand proof of eligibility from Obama, this moron certainly has no standing to sue the US government over his mental illness.
He ought to be suing the UN for destroying his ability to think for himself.
I’d be embarrassed an 18 year old that stupid was my genetic offspring. He is the reason they make Trojans.
“Brainwashed, indoctrinated, dumb and stupid is no way to go through life, Alec.”
To a kid who apparently gave some thought to future threats hanging over his head, it’s rather astonishing he missed the one staring him straight in the face: the net present value of federal government’s unfunded liabilities for entitlements exceed $100 trillion, or more than $300,000 for every living American. That tab is going to be paid predominantly by Alec’s generation and his kids, not by his parents (who when they retire—assuming they are average income—will collect $3 in Medicare benefits for every dollar they paid into Medicare) or grandparents.
Alec: you’re being used as a cash cow for your elders. How come you’re not outraged about THAT?
These are gore’s people. He has stuped so low he is brain washing kids, because NO ONE ELSE IS BUYING HIS CRAP
The court should dismiss their suit on the basis of failure to mitigate by eliminating their personal CO2 emissions while breathing.
Emitting no carbon in his travels? Amazing!
The oceans used to do that. Without mankind there would be a 5-10 ppm rise in CO2 from the natural warming coming out of the Little Ice Age. That can be calculated from the partial pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere (above the ocean) and the temperature rise. Since CO2 has risen by about 100ppm the oceans have gone into reverse and are now absorbing about 1/2 of mankind's emissions each year.
Here's a paper http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/8576/1/LeQuere09.pdf showing the warming oceans are not emitting, they are absorbing. There are more many papers like this and they are generally correct.
I will reinstall adobe’s crap to read your PDF. Do you believe the Sun does not heat the Earth?
want government officials to do more to prevent the risks of climate change — the dangerous storms, heat waves, rising sea levels, and food-supply disruptions
Don’t forget, earthquakes.
Yes, the sun varies and heat the earth more up through the 80's That heated the oceans which kept heating the atmosphere through the 90's. That was the main reason for the rise during that interval. But CO2 was the second reason and CO2 has been steadily rising the atmosphere mostly independent of ocean temperatures. IOW, when we get La Nina and cooler ocean temperatures on average, we still get a rise in atmospheric CO2 although less of one. But we also get less of a rise in CO2 during recession e.g. in 2008. So we really do control CO2 in the atmosphere
Another thing to consider is that the ocean absorbs the CO2 efficiently enough that once we stop producing CO2 (when we develop sufficient technology like nuclear fusion energy), the atmospheric levels will drop within decades (less than 40 years to get half way back to preindustrial).
Living proof as to why libs who WANT to have abortions should be allowed to - to reduce the chances of them spawning another generation of brain dead cretins like this kid and his buddies.
Are you denying the post #13 effect that you and your children can see as true?
The oceans no longer emit CO2 as they warm, they now absorb some of our extra CO2 although they absorb less of our extra than they would if they were not warming.
Here's a specific answer: the CO2 partial pressure has increased. That would be like leaving the cap on the bottle. As long as there is CO2 at pressure above the ocean higher than the pressure within the ocean the CO2 will absorb the CO2 from the atmosphere. Here's the text from Wikipedia on Henry's Law: "Partial pressure of CO2 in the gas phase in equilibrium with seawater doubles with every 16 K increase in temperature."
We have had about a 2K increase in ocean temperatures over the last century. That would lead to 2/16 or 1/8 of a doubling of partial pressure of CO2 above the ocean. That means from 280 ppm we would have had about 35 ppm in rise in partial pressure of CO2 (I was wrong when I said 5-10ppm).
The only source I know about for those measurements is Miskowski (sp?) it is generally agreed that his measurements were not indicative of the global CO2 but represent mostly elevated CO2 around cities. Here's a better source for CO2 measurements: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/08/24/atmospheric-temperature-and-carbon-dioxide-feedback-or-equilibrium/ and there are many more like that.
The measurements are proven bunk. Yet you believe them. Take them in like Gospel. Damn dude. You spread that to others?
You spread that garbage? The millions that are to be subjected to it you must understand. Are you stupid or just fucking evil?
The billions that are subjected to it. Correction.
Keep in mind that WattsUpWithThat rarely censors alternative views, and Beck himself posts in the Under the Volcano thread I linked to. I don’t think there is a strong case for fluctuations above 300 ppm before preindustrial times. But there is a case for some fluctuation based on ocean temperature fluctuation and the Keeling curve may have some exaggerated smoothness. But I don’t think it is a strong enough case to explain the current 390 ppm and rising.
But read the comment here: http://cio.eldoc.ub.rug.nl/FILES/root/2007/EnergyEnvironMeijer/2007EnergyEnvironMeijer.pdf to see some of the flaws in the Beck paper. AFAIK, Beck has not written a new paper since then.
While teenagers serve as the public face of the lawsuit, the idea itself came from Julia Olson, an attorney based in Eugene, Oregon. Olson founded an organization called Our Children's Trust after watching the Al Gore documentary An Inconvenient Truth while she was seven months pregnant. Her idea to invite kids to become plaintiffs in a suit against the government was partly inspired by her colleague Mary Christina Wood, director of the Environmental and Natural Resources Law Program at the University of Oregon. Wood has spent her career studying the public trust doctrine, most recently devising a strategy she has dubbed Atmospheric Trust Litigation to apply that theory to the climate.
From the wiki:
The public trust doctrine is the principle that certain resources are preserved for public use, and that the government is required to maintain them for the public's reasonable use.
Since we all share oxygen, the government can regulate our every breath, if taking it to the extreme as she is doing.
What they believe, guides them.
The warming inside a greenhouse is partly due to trapping the warm air (preventing convection). The rest is due to the absorption of outgoing IR by the glass, just like CO2 in the atmosphere. The glass then emits about 1/2 of that heat back into the greenhouse. The water vapor inside the greenhouse helps hold some heat too but that is mostly an increase in thermal mass. It is even better to have many gallons of water in the greenhouse for thermal mass to hold the heat through the night or cloudy days.
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