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To: MindBender26

This is what I said...

“Obamacare is not going to treat mild depression. That is all this report is about.

Those drugs are going no where. They are way too valuable in treating other disorders.”

This is what you responded...

“Sorry all, but in 86% of cases, those on sugar pills got just as well on those on SSRIs.

Yes, your friend or you got well, but it wasn’t the pill! “
In a really big and obnoxious font.

First of all, it wasn’t me nor a “friend”. I spent a good amount of my life as an Office Manager for the Head Psychiatrist of a large hospital. Our practice had two doctors and three therapists. I saw many people treated for disorders other than depression who did marvelously some of these meds.

Second, Wellbutrin is NOT an SSRI, Secondary Serotonin Reuptake inhibitor. It is a dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor. They work on different chemicals in the brain and are not the same thing.

Soooooo, this report by C-BS is BS. If YOU want to do a happy dance about it, fine. Personally, I take everything that C-BS puts out with a grain of salt and anything about health, all I can say is “watch the other hand”.


26 posted on 02/19/2012 6:41:09 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom
Strongly suggest you read the study before you condemn the report.

Secondly, i do not doubt the the TOTALITY of he treatment offered by your physicians helped many patients, but the study from Harvard and many from the UK clearly demonstrate that the chemical agents worked only to a very limited amount.

In 86% of the cases, pts on placebos got as well, as quickly, as did those on Prozac.

In addition, in approving Prozac, et.al., FDA ignored multiple studies that showed them to have virtually no effect, and only considered two studies that showed positive results.

Seriously, read the Harvard study. It's not about a claim that pts did not get well, it's about why they got well.

38 posted on 02/19/2012 7:03:39 PM PST by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: netmilsmom
Some of the problem is the primary care physicians simply do not investigate possible physical or neurological causes enough before sending patients to a Psychiatrist or prescribing antidepressants. These meds given too the wrong person with the wrong diagnoses can kill them and I do know what I am talking about.

For example lets take anxiety disorders. Most mental health specialist assumes the SSRI protocol or antidepressant protocol is the answer. True but only if it is an actual chemical issue. Just as common for triggering anxiety is Vestibular {meaning Inner Ear, hearing and the Cerebellar portion related too it} issues doctors often miss. Give them antidepressants and you may see a real horrid adverse reaction basically like giving them LSD.

This isn't junk science it was discovered back in the 1970's but only considered seriously in the past decade or so maybe a little longer.

For these patients another medication route must be taken that most Psychiatrist say so no too especially long term. I'm talking about Benzo's. I am one of those patients myself diagnosed 17 years ago with General Anxiety Disorder. No antidepressants would help and actually made it far worse. Xanax helped but only part time.

About a year into it I found an excellent book called Phobia Free by Harold Levinson who linked anxiety and forms of ADD ADHD and even dyslexic symptoms to vestibular disorders. My medical history matched Vestibular origin. It was at that point I had to get firm with the doctors treating me who insisted antidepressants were to be used. Finally I just walked out and found a doctor who had seen it and he understood how too properly prescribe Xanax too where it worked and continued to work even now.

My initial dosage was 2mg twice a day. Wrong dosage wrong strength. New doctor went to .5 or half mg 4 times a day. RELIEF! It worked most the time.

It is Non Phobic Anxiety. IOW no phobia or even a sense of dread. But rather an intolerance to certain auditory and visuals stimulation that I now know from my own research gives me Myoclonic Seizures in the upper Torso.

For what it's worth my wife is a Vestibular patient due to quadriplegia. Antidepressants will put her into Serotonin Syndrome. This is not something you ever want too see or experience. Six doctors missed it and kept calling for more Zoloft.

I looked up her medication Trazadone +Zoloft +adverse reaction and found it in a few minutes after about 5 days into it. I showed the into too the doctors and was told "that's rubbish" exact words used.

Antidepressants are great for those who need them. But some caution needs to be given and patients and their family warned of the potential for this.

41 posted on 02/19/2012 7:07:35 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: netmilsmom

92% of all statistics are made up on the spot. I think this article was made up on the spot.


64 posted on 02/19/2012 8:25:21 PM PST by Shimmer1 (No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)
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To: netmilsmom

Excellant points.

And wonder how the study was done.


87 posted on 02/20/2012 6:04:06 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (NEWT in 2012)
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