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Rove stooge Perry should quit and his supporters should move over to Cain's side

Posted on 11/10/2011 7:28:44 PM PST by JimWayne

Now that Rick Perry has come across as an insincere person who just memorizes talking points and parrots them, it is clear that there is no chance he will get the nomination. It is best for this Karl Rove stooge to quit the race. Maybe, he should donate all the money he has raised to the Cain campaign.

His supporters have probably deserted him after realizing that he just makes insincere claims about cutting down the government. Perry's insincerity is very typical of Karl Rove's puppets.


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1 posted on 11/10/2011 7:28:49 PM PST by JimWayne
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To: JimWayne

i thought rove and the bushes didn’t like perry?


2 posted on 11/10/2011 7:30:29 PM PST by ken21
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To: JimWayne

I’m sorry, but this week Karl Rove is a Romney stooge.


3 posted on 11/10/2011 7:30:29 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: JimWayne

maybe you didnt hear it...... but Karl Rove does not support Perry


4 posted on 11/10/2011 7:30:50 PM PST by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: 1rudeboy; ken21; woofie

Karl Rove recruited Perry and brought him to the GOP. He then managed his campaign.


5 posted on 11/10/2011 7:32:46 PM PST by JimWayne
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To: JimWayne; All

Karl Rove and Rick Perry hate each other. Romney is Karl’s man.


6 posted on 11/10/2011 7:32:58 PM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: JimWayne

There was a falling out......


7 posted on 11/10/2011 7:34:30 PM PST by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: JimWayne

Oh, the vanity! And not even listed as such. And in New and Activism.


8 posted on 11/10/2011 7:34:38 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: no dems
But this week Rove is a Romney stooge. And he probably will be until the Cain "scandal" blows over. Then he can go back to being a Perry stooge.
9 posted on 11/10/2011 7:37:23 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: JimWayne

Newt is superior to Cain.


10 posted on 11/10/2011 7:37:25 PM PST by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9)
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To: BunnySlippers

Oh, the vanity! And not even listed as such. And in New and Activism.


That’s his speciality. Never read the rules.

http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm

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11 posted on 11/10/2011 7:38:04 PM PST by deport
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To: BunnySlippers

I posted it under vanity.


12 posted on 11/10/2011 7:38:42 PM PST by JimWayne
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To: JimWayne

I don’t Perry is insincere.

I think he’s just out of his element. In Texas, he’s never had to defend his point of view or cultivate a coherent message, because it everybody knows where he stands.

In national politics, many people know you’re point of view better than you do and they’ve argued against those positions a thousand times.

I don’t think Perry has ever had to face that.


13 posted on 11/10/2011 7:38:52 PM PST by Jonty30
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To: JimWayne

Where is te breaking stoopid section....


14 posted on 11/10/2011 7:41:18 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: JimWayne

I am one of the Herman Cain supporters; it is not for us to say when Perry should get out. I trust that the Cain, Bachmann, Perry, Santorum and some Gingrich supporters will back whoever “NOT-Romney” winds up being before too many delegates get allocated. The Paul people are their own animal. The Huntsman and Johnson people may go to Romney or Gingrich or go down with their candidates.

I did not let the media tell that Cain is through. I do not expect Perry supporters to let the media or Cain supporters tell us he’s through.


15 posted on 11/10/2011 7:41:20 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Somebody gets it:)


16 posted on 11/10/2011 7:47:18 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: JimWayne
Karl Rove recruited Perry and brought him to the GOP. He then managed his campaign.

That switch was about a quarter of century ago, but I can see where that makes Perry a puppet of this all powerful Oz, I mean Rove. /s

17 posted on 11/10/2011 7:54:48 PM PST by GOPyouth ("We're buying shrimp, guys. Come on." - Dear Leader)
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To: Huck

That depends on your metric, however I could live with either at the top of the ticket. I prefer Mr. Cain.


18 posted on 11/10/2011 7:55:03 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: JimWayne

Wow, Cain-bots are really doing a good job of convincing the Perrywinkles to support their candidate. I know I’m convinced! NOT!


19 posted on 11/10/2011 7:55:38 PM PST by independent in tx
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To: JimWayne

Let me see:
- Media telling Perry when to get out = GOOD
- Media telling Cain when to get out = BAD

Correct?


20 posted on 11/10/2011 7:57:46 PM PST by independent in tx
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To: JimWayne

Rove supported the campaign of pro-abortion RINO Hutchinson
against Perry when she ran against him for Texas governor last year. Rove and his liberal buddies put in millions of dollars to her campaign, only to see Perry beat her by almost 20% pts in he general election.

Rove is an establishment moderate republican who has a history of supporting pro-abortion RINOs over conservatives. He helped RINO Bush get elected twice and that is exactly what he is doing for RINO Romney this year. That Rove actually calls himself a conservative is a joke. And who cares that Rove worked for Perry 20 years ago in an election. Alot of bad blood since. Ask anyone that knows Texas politics.


21 posted on 11/10/2011 8:02:30 PM PST by Luther1917
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To: JimWayne

I think he should stay in asking as he wants to.


22 posted on 11/10/2011 8:04:00 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: JimWayne

This is just dumb. I’m not a Perry fan, but as long as he’s got money and as long as he’s above %5, he should stick around.


23 posted on 11/10/2011 8:07:10 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: independent in tx

All he wants is the Perry supporters’ $$$.

That Karl Rove lent him 25 years ago and that bitch Perry never paid it back. /s


24 posted on 11/10/2011 8:07:20 PM PST by txhurl
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To: JimWayne
"Rove stooge Perry" ...?

Yeah, that'll win them over for Cain.

/s

25 posted on 11/10/2011 8:08:04 PM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama.)
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To: JimWayne

Like Perry said after last night, You Stepped In It.


26 posted on 11/10/2011 8:14:08 PM PST by X-spurt
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To: JimWayne

That’s dopy... don’t you know that as soon as you tell people what you think they aught to do, they’re going to do the opposite? If you truly hope that they leave Perry and move to Cain, let it be only a hope and let the folks come to their own conclusions.


27 posted on 11/10/2011 8:16:24 PM PST by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: JimWayne

Yeah Jim, that will work, insult their candidate, falsely claim a tie to Rove, insist they were stupid to back him, tell them their candidate should quit, and just watch them flock to YOUR choice of candidate.

If Perry leaves, the Perry supporters aren’t moving to Cain. In fact, I’d be surprised if any of the also-ran supporters will move to Cain.

Here’s my argument: Most people want to pick a winner. There are some who are just in love with a candidate, but most are in love with the idea of ANY conservative who can beat Romney and then Obama.

Look at Perry. All he did was ENTER the race, and he was the front-runner. It wasn’t until he failed the “debate test” that a major part of his “support” left him. Those were some of the “any candidate who can win” people, and they migrated over to Cain. But not all of them. Perry kept a good deal of support, as did Bachmann, and Santorum to a lesser degree. If those supporters haven’t jumped to Cain when he’s the front-runner and doing so would crush Romney, they aren’t going to go to him when their candidate is attacked falsely by him.

And look at Gingrich. We “rejected” him a long time ago. Nobody thought he was electable. But while Perry drops, the Perry support is going to Gingrich, not Cain, even though Cain is the front-runner. People are so concerned about Cain that they are moving to Gingrich instead of Cain.

If I were the Cain supporters, I’d be looking for ways to prop Perry up for another month, because if Perry is gone, Gingrich gets his money, his people, his organization, and probably his endorsement. Remember that Gingrich and Perry have a cordial relationship, and Perry got some of Gingrich’s staff when Gingrich was low on money.

Cain’s only chance to win at this point is to keep the other conservatives in the race, so their supporters don’t all jump to Gingrich; eventually he needs them to drop out, but only after GIngrich is out of money and has lost some.

This would mean Cain might risk losing to Romney, but Cain has repeatedly said he doesn’t share our desire to beat Romney — he’d be fine if ROmney won, and would expect Romney might make him VP.

If I thought Cain was qualified to be President, I would have supported him a long time ago. He talks a great conservative game, and while he also says a lot of stupid things, I haven’t yet decided that he really is just saying what we want to hear. But being great at speaking doesn’t help when you are so naive you think that every answer to our economic problems is 9-9-9, that nobody cares if you understand what Palistinians are, or that they shouldn’t get a right-to-return, and that you don’t need to know anything about world leaders or countries.

It doesn’t help when you are as solidly pro-life as they come, and yet need 4 tries over 2 months to even make a basic pro-life statement that doesn’t sound like it was co-authored by planned parenthood.

And it certainly won’t help when his campaign repeatedly pronounces judgement without getting the basic facts, and has to therefore repeatedly explain why it’s not their fault they got things wrong.

If I were going to support a former pizza executive for President, I’d rather see Tom Monoghan. He wasn’t handed a pizza company — he built one from scratch. He didn’t take the company he was given and bury it in the yard to return it without growth 10 years later — he built his creation to the 2nd-largest pizza company in the world.

That is what a real leader is. Cain is a competent manager and an inspirational speaker — as are so many black americans who grew up in the ministry; preaching is an excellent gift, and Cain has that gift, but it’s really nothing like public government leadership.

It’s interesting that, up until now, I’ve still considered Cain (note: I’ve never been a Perry supporter). It took Perry’s implosion for me to realise that even with Perry gone, I was not inclined support Cain, not when there were still viable conservatives who would actually be experienced leaders who could step in on day one to solve our problems.

I still don’t have a candidate. If Cain had Perry’s record, I’m certain I’d be a Cain supporter now. If Perry could ever learn to be passable in a debate, I might have supported Perry. If Perry manages to get back his support, I won’t mind at all being a Perry supporter.


28 posted on 11/10/2011 8:18:16 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: JimWayne

I doubt they will join in just yet. But after a few primaries, they will see the light at the end of the tunnel.

I can’t wait to be rid of the commie occupying our Whitehouse. All his EO’s, and his deathcare plan, must be reversed.

Go Cain!


29 posted on 11/10/2011 8:18:44 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Constitutional Conservatism is Americanism.)
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To: JimWayne
The Three Stooges are awesome. Long live the Three Stooges.
30 posted on 11/10/2011 8:28:34 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Excellent summary.


31 posted on 11/10/2011 8:30:04 PM PST by independent in tx
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To: 1rudeboy; ken21; woofie; JimWayne; truthfreedom
Karl Rove recruited Perry and brought him to the GOP. He then managed his campaign.

JimWayne and truthfreedom are totally stuck on this true but irrelevant refrain (are YOU still completely defined by things that happened in your life a quarter century ago?). They keep parroting this line, but they've produced NO evidence (zero, zilch, nada) that there's any relation between Rove and Perry today.

Don't try to persuade them with facts, because their minds are made up.

32 posted on 11/10/2011 8:30:30 PM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Never mind.)
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To: ken21
i thought rove and the bushes didn’t like perry?

More Bush/Rove rope-a-dope...

No sale.

33 posted on 11/10/2011 8:31:59 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ken21
i thought rove and the bushes didn’t like perry?

They don't and Perry is not a "Rove stooge."

This is just more leftist smear.

34 posted on 11/10/2011 8:33:23 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: JimWayne
an insincere person who just memorizes talking points

I've already given Herman Cain more money than I've ever given anyone running for office, but this just isn't fair. If anything, Rick got himself in trouble for going away from his talking points last night. And the evidence shows it certainly wasn't memorized.

I don't think he's insincere either. Just wrong on a few things. That being said, I'd vote for him without hesitation if he were to win the nomination.

35 posted on 11/10/2011 8:34:51 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: dragnet2
More Bush/Rove rope-a-dope...

Evidence?

36 posted on 11/10/2011 8:35:18 PM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Never mind.)
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To: everyone
"Rove stooge Perry...."


Click the picture I swiped from bd476

37 posted on 11/10/2011 8:36:42 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Just a hunch.


38 posted on 11/10/2011 8:37:42 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
More Bush/Rove rope-a-dope...

No sale.

I think they're all riding in the same limo.

JMO.

39 posted on 11/10/2011 8:38:53 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ken21

You’re right. And most Perrywinkles I know prefer Newt over Cain...if Perry should withdraw it will not be greatly beneficial to Cain.


40 posted on 11/10/2011 8:43:14 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: independent in tx
Let me see:
- Media telling Perry when to get out = GOOD
- Media telling Cain when to get out = BAD

Correct?

Actually, in this case, it's just one FReeper with delusions of grandeur.

41 posted on 11/10/2011 8:46:45 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

That was PERFECT, it cannot be explained much better.


42 posted on 11/10/2011 9:07:50 PM PST by annieokie
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To: FReepers

43 posted on 11/10/2011 9:11:43 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: JimWayne
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44 posted on 11/10/2011 10:15:56 PM PST by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: JimWayne

That’s the ticket... trash talk the other camp then invite them over for tea


45 posted on 11/10/2011 10:28:14 PM PST by Java4Jay
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Your analysis is really quite excellent. It is not a complete match for the way I see things, but very good anyway.

I tried to support Perry because he looks so solid on paper (aside from his immigration problems), but for me it has become absolutely clear he can not communicate effectively enough to be President. I certainly don’t dislike him, I think he’s got a good record and I feel confident he’d make mostly the right decisions as President - but half the battle of being President is being able to persuade people that conservative changes are the way forward and I don’t think Perry can do that.

I simply can not take Herman Cain seriously. Period. I don’t think he will be the nominee, and if he were I think he’d lose in a landslide. I will not be supporting him (though I will certainly vote for him in a general election on the off chance he wins the nomination). Also, I do not support a national sales tax and the answer to every problem is not 999 - that got old and tired a long time ago.

So, I am left looking for a conservative candidate to support. For me, the only viable option left seems to be Gingrich. Newt has his problems no doubt, but the one thing he does exceptionally well is intellectually communicate conservatism - he fundamentally understands it, can discuss the very core of its meaning in a debate format or in any give and take conversation. So for all his problems, I think I am left with supporting Newt - and I am actually beginning to think I should have been all along. I am not satisfied with these choices, I wish Paul Ryan had run myself - but the field is what it is and is not going to change. Out of the bunch, Gingrich is both qualified on substance AND communication skills.


46 posted on 11/10/2011 11:03:31 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

I can’t speak for Jim Wayne.

But I can say that I’m pretty hard core anti Rove.

So, nope, I’m not cutting any candidates a break. Not now or ever.

It’s a Simple Rule.

If you were Ever Managed By Karl Rove, you are unacceptable as a candidate.

Rick Perry was Managed By Karl Rove.

Therefore, he’s unacceptable.

Very Simple


47 posted on 11/10/2011 11:56:40 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: ken21

That is the story that they like to tell.

Karl Rove would like to have control of the candidate he likes and the candidate he doesn’t.

1 simple rule - never vote for any candidate that Karl Rove has ever managed.


48 posted on 11/11/2011 12:03:41 AM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

Your candidate proved himself the biggest retard in the history of politics and you’re saying that I don’t listen to facts? I guess Perry hasn’t run out of money yet.

You don’t feel embarrassed to be hyping Perry still?

You should be.

That’s a fact right there.


49 posted on 11/11/2011 12:19:08 AM PST by truthfreedom
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To: JimWayne
"I see Rick Perry...He doesn't know he's dead!"


50 posted on 11/11/2011 4:43:41 AM PST by montag813
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