I was looking up the State Flower
and came across this:
The Spanish Cross of Burgundy, used in most of Alabama until the 1800s.
Posted on 11/04/2011 4:45:15 AM PDT by Renfield
Total BS from Lefty-Lib Atheist Idiots.
They obviously built up there to be closer to their gods, so they could be be sure of their sacred songs being heard during their ceremonies!
One archaeologist *dared* to suggest that maybe the collapse of Chaco and the defensive positions of Mesa Verde were due to internecine warfare (a polite way of saying Indian-Indian thuggery).
He got labasted. This would have been in the early 90s or so, I’ve been out of the field for quite a while.
“Obviously, the Indians built their village on top of this mesa because of the specular view it affords.”
Well that, and to keep from being dinner for their cannibal neighbors.
In Held Twas In I
One of DeSoto’s party is carrying the Alabama flag. Who knew?!
*snort!*
I was looking up the State Flower and came across this:
The Spanish Cross of Burgundy, used in most of Alabama until the 1800s.
the fact a Spanish artifact was found does not necessarily mean De Soto. French from Ft Caroline and the Spaniards who followed ventured deeply in to the interior.
As desoto scholar finds desoto stuff in the manner to a hammer, everything must be a nail
all that is changing. Check out the books of Stephen Lekson. He slays the old guys and their lefty views
Trekking that route or anything similar with a small army is amazing. Very tough hombres.
This thread reminds me of the movie Little Big Man.
I recall one scene of the old chief laying on his deathbed wearing his prized possession, a conquistador breastplate, handed down through the generation..
I remembered Victor Jory in the part, but guess I am wrong. Looking at the credits he wasn’t in the movie.
And though you came with sword held high you did not conquer, only die - leaving your treasure behind, where it was carried to Missouri, perhaps as potlatch.
As it ever was in the study of history - revisionism follows revisionism, as new facts are uncovered , and new narratives are made out of them. It happens in every field from medicine, to astrophysics, to anthropology, to archeology and Biblical criticism.
Lekson will probably be debunked/reframed/responded to within the next twenty years.
looked at the laurel map. the outline is certainly there. the location of the plaza doesn’t appear visible anymore (e.g. there are streets and buildings where it would have been) and the frequency of n-s streets seems more regular than most colonial spanish towns I have seen drawings of.
They could be from any number of Northern and Western European states.
Now, the Law of the Indies? I think this town was laid out before that particular document penetrated very far. So that would be post DeSoto, and maybe about Allyon's time.
PRE DESOTO (1541) and POST ALLYON (1521)
Now, if you go due West about 10 degrees into Illinois you will find another town at that latitude with the same latitude. When pioneers first got there to do the surveying this town had an entire township ALREADY SURVEYED in a way that matched the coming American survey.
Hey, at least he got a new car out of the deal. Or somethin’.
The northern section of the NC in the map you posted with the label of Jora has been excavated to reveal a Desoto era European scale/type fortification known as the Berry Site:
http://www.warren-wilson.edu/~arch/berrysite
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