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Universe Could be 250 Times Bigger Than What is Observable
Universe Today ^ | 2/8/11 | Vanessa D'Amico

Posted on 02/10/2011 1:21:07 AM PST by LibWhacker

Our Universe is an enormous place; that’s no secret. What is up for discussion, however, is just how enormous it is. And new research suggests it’s a whopper – over 250 times the size of our observable universe.

Currently, cosmologists believe the Universe takes one of three possible shapes:

While most current data favors a flat universe, cosmologists have yet to come to a consensus. In a paper recently submitted to Arxiv, UK scientists Mihran Vardanyan, Roberto Trotta and Joseph Silk present their fix: a mathematical version of Occam’s Razor called Bayesian model averaging. The principle of Occam’s Razor states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. In this case, a flat universe represents a simpler geometry than a curved universe. Bayesian averaging takes this consideration into account and averages the data accordingly. Unsurprisingly, the team’s results show that the data best fits a flat, infinite universe.

But what if the Universe turns out to be closed, and thus has a finite size after all? Cosmologists often refer to the Hubble volume – a volume of space that is similar to our visible Universe. Light from any object outside of the Hubble volume will never reach us because the space between us and it is expanding too quickly. According to the team’s analysis, a closed universe would encompass at least 251 Hubble volumes.

That’s quite a bit larger than you might think. Primordial light from just after the birth of the Universe started traveling across the cosmos about 13.75 billion years ago. Since special relativity states that nothing can move faster than a photon, many people misinterpret this to mean that the observable Universe must be 13.75 billion light years across. In fact, it is much larger. Not only has space been expanding since the big bang, but the rate of expansion has been steadily increasing due to the influence of dark energy. Since special relativity doesn’t factor in the expansion of space itself, cosmologists estimate that the oldest photons have travelled a distance of 45 billion light years since the big bang. That means that our observable Universe is on the order of 90 billion light years wide.

To top it all off, it turns out that the team’s size limit of 251 Hubble volumes is a conservative estimate, based on a geometric model that includes inflation. If astronomers were to instead base the size of the Universe solely on the age and distribution of the objects they observe today, they would find that a closed universe encompasses at least 398 Hubble volumes. That’s nearly 400 times the size of everything we can ever hope to see in the Universe!

Given the reality of our current capabilities for observation, to us even a finite universe appears to go on forever.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: 250times; bigger; dark; energy; hubble; inflation; observable; stringtheory; universe; volume; xplanets
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1 posted on 02/10/2011 1:21:20 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Well, this will negatively affect real estate prices.


2 posted on 02/10/2011 1:28:03 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Lazamataz

LOL


3 posted on 02/10/2011 1:44:07 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Lazamataz

That’s just great. I’m already upside down.


4 posted on 02/10/2011 1:49:03 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 751 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: LibWhacker
How could there be a finite universe? What would contain it?

On the other hand, how could there be an infinite universe?

Either way, I get dizzy just thinking about it.

5 posted on 02/10/2011 2:10:51 AM PST by giotto
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To: LibWhacker

Age of universe = 13.75 years
Photons have traveled = 45 billion light years
Speed = Warp 3?


6 posted on 02/10/2011 2:13:00 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: LibWhacker

What this means is that there are physical limits to what we can know. Will the insight provided by this article humble our central economic planners? No chance.


7 posted on 02/10/2011 2:14:08 AM PST by TimSkalaBim
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To: NTHockey

It’s because the universe expanded (faster than c) and those photons got a free ride.


8 posted on 02/10/2011 2:43:19 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
Conversation from sometime back in the 70s...
"Man...the universe...its big...I mean really really big...ya know?"
"Yeah...its big."
"Yeah...big."
"Yeah."
"You want anymore of this?"
"Might as well...can't dance."

Things got a might phi-lo-soph-i-cal at times back then.
9 posted on 02/10/2011 2:44:53 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: Lazamataz; LibWhacker

Nah, 249 times, tops.

Not counting the crawl space.


10 posted on 02/10/2011 2:46:59 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Lazamataz
Well, this will negatively affect real estate prices.

Location, location, location. A nice little ocean front property on a planet with oxygen, water and moderate tempratures, near, but not too near, a yellow star is going to be worth a lot more than undeveloped space trapped in a time warp near a black hole in some God foresaken corner of a remote galaxy cluster. Especially if the proptery has access to a reliable airport and a stable government.

11 posted on 02/10/2011 2:52:13 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: LibWhacker

Currently, cosmologists believe the Universe takes one of three possible shapes:

* It is flat, like a Euclidean plane, and spatially infinite.
* It is open, or curved like a saddle, and spatially infinite.
* It is closed, or curved like a sphere, and spatially finite.

Correct answer is all three - it just depends on one’s state of mind and which direction one heads out in.


12 posted on 02/10/2011 3:15:10 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: giotto

At least we have universal wrench sets that will work everywhere.


13 posted on 02/10/2011 3:47:59 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: giotto
Dizzy?.. Me too. If the universe is spherical, then what is only the other side of the edge of that sphere?

This topic is worth thinking about 30 seconds, otherwise you go to brainlock.

14 posted on 02/10/2011 4:04:08 AM PST by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: LibWhacker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_J5rBxeTIk


15 posted on 02/10/2011 4:09:25 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: LibWhacker

No wonder it’s taking me longer to drive to work each morning.


16 posted on 02/10/2011 4:19:48 AM PST by 3rd of the 12 CAV (Socialized medicine is a 10 month wait for a maternity ward)
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To: LibWhacker

What about Michelle’s rear end?


17 posted on 02/10/2011 4:20:30 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder ("Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: LibWhacker
"But what if the Universe turns out to be closed, and thus has a finite size after all?"

Okay... then what would this closed, finite-sized universe be floating in? A petri dish sitting under somebody's microscope?

My vote is that it is spherical with infinite space in all directions.

18 posted on 02/10/2011 4:25:21 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: LibWhacker
That explains Leon


19 posted on 02/10/2011 4:35:22 AM PST by JRios1968 (Laz would hit it!)
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To: catfish1957
If the universe is spherical, then what is only [on?] the other side of the edge of that sphere?

The Restaurant at the End of the Universe?

20 posted on 02/10/2011 4:38:45 AM PST by Roccus (Joe Biden.....America's only living brain donor.)
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