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Just thought I'd stir up a little controversy on my favorite topic as the playoffs progress. And before anybody says "One QB is a rapist and one is not," please remember Ben has not been criminally charged with rape, much less convicted.
1 posted on 01/16/2011 10:11:11 PM PST by malkee
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To: malkee

neither was clinton


2 posted on 01/16/2011 10:19:02 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: malkee

You’ll get no argument here, Ben is far superior imho.

Brady is a pocket rocket, nothing more.


3 posted on 01/16/2011 10:22:34 PM PST by smoothsailing
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I don’t think you can really say who the “better” QB is. There are so many factors in being a QB. Your O line, the system your team runs, what WR/RB/TE you have, the plays called by the coaching staff, drops that WRs may have(Is Roethlisberger a great QB because Brown caught the 3rd and 19 pass and Flacco is a bad one because Boldin dropped a TD that was right in his hands and Houshmanzadeh dropped a 1st down that was right in his hands?), your FG kicker, etc...

Is Brady a great QB because Vinatieri won a few games for him with great kicks and Jim Kelly a bad QB because his kicker blew the SB? If Vinatieri misses a few of those and Brady loses some of those games is his reputation as high? Is Brady a bad QB because Tyree on the NYG caught that ball against his helmet in a 1 in 1000000 fluke and ended the undefeated season?

I think they’re both great QBs, both have proven themselves in the biggest of games and the biggest of moments. Both have won multiple SBs. I’d take both of them over Peyton Manning who has history of coming up small and doesn’t have nearly the track recor of success they do.

I agree about the pressure and I give Ben an edge there as his size gives him an advantage in those situations. He’s also a bit more mobile than Brady. You can’t really go wrong with either of them.

But we’ll see next week how Ben does against the same team that pretty much shut NE down today. Can’t get a better comparison than seeing them go against the same team in back to back weeks.

I think PIT may have an edge in that their D is far superior to NE and they have a better running game so Ben won’t have to do as much. But NYJ are playing very well and their confidence is off the charts right now. Should be a great game.


4 posted on 01/16/2011 10:25:06 PM PST by jeltz25
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Nope, Brady is still better. But not as good as before he was married,


6 posted on 01/16/2011 10:26:07 PM PST by nickcarraway
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Fine. One is an alleged rapist and the other is an alleged cheater.

I’ll take PR over either one of them this year.


7 posted on 01/16/2011 10:29:48 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: malkee

This article brings up some interesting points, but I’m still not convinced. Barring an absolute dud in the NFC Championship game or Super Bowl, I think Aaron Rodgers will have to be considered better than either Brady or Roethlisberger.


8 posted on 01/16/2011 10:41:07 PM PST by conservativebuckeye
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In general, QBs stay in the pocket when the offensive line holds and leave the pocket when it collapses. So I think your comment doesn’t hold much weight.


9 posted on 01/16/2011 10:43:31 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: malkee

Sorry, not your comment, but that of the writer.


10 posted on 01/16/2011 10:44:50 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: malkee

BS. Go Jets.


11 posted on 01/16/2011 10:49:44 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: malkee

Right now, I’ll take the highly mobile and creative Aaron Rodgers over either one of them.

And I’m hoping Sam Bradford of my St. Louis Rams, supplants him as NFL top dog in the very near future.


13 posted on 01/16/2011 10:54:15 PM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: malkee

Both are great so why even have this thread? Is it for entertainment or for starting a verbal fight? :)


17 posted on 01/17/2011 12:28:12 AM PST by napscoordinator
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I'd like to see Brady finish a game with his nose knocked sideways, clear across his face. Like Roethlisberger was done by the Ravens' Suggs. Let alone lead his team to the win.

More likely that Brady would be flown by medical ambulance jet to a Los Angeles hospital for emergency cosmetic surgery.

18 posted on 01/17/2011 1:02:57 AM PST by Ghengis
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To: malkee

What makes a great QB?

The offensive line.


19 posted on 01/17/2011 2:29:53 AM PST by crz
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To: malkee
Striking contrast in styles.

When given his usual offensive line impeccable protection Brady is extremely accurate and efficient pocket passer. When he is under pressure, as yesterday, Brady is rather ordinary, unable to scramble to extend the play, he folds on contact.

Roethlisberger has had to work with a sub-par offensive line for most of his career. He often takes a beating in games. Not as accurate a pure passer as Brady, Roethlisberger is more of a football player who happens to throw passes. Shaking off would-be tacklers and extending plays is his forte. Really, I'm not sure Ben could be as good as Brady if he had equal protection, but it's quite obvious that Brady is not as good as Ben when he doesn't have the protection.

Roethlisberger, IMO, is somewhat under rated generally, in part because he does not have the classic QB style like Tom, Peyton, Drew, and Phillip who many consider better than Ben.

21 posted on 01/17/2011 4:33:57 AM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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Imho, BR is the worst QB who has ever won a SB.


25 posted on 01/17/2011 8:52:31 AM PST by proudpapa (Proudpapa)
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I don’t know if it makes Ben a better QB, better clutch player maybe. But on actual QBing skills Brady is the man. Ben’s got solid B+ skills, plus the knowledge that he outweighs half the linebackers in the league which makes him hard to tackle. Part of that knowledge has him holding onto the ball way too long, look at that sack fumble Saturday, standing on his own goal line he pump fakes 3 times, good things rarely stem from 3 pump fakes.

I mean I wouldn’t trade him for Brady, Ben is the perfect QB for the Steelers, but as a pure QB Brady is better.


29 posted on 01/17/2011 11:58:47 AM PST by discostu (this is defninitely not my confused face)
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