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Hell on wheels, but not for sale (Buick Grand National)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 12/10/2010 | Jerry Hirsch

Posted on 12/13/2010 1:06:27 PM PST by Responsibility2nd

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To: databoss

Mucho mucho dry rot. Mucho plastic outgassing, and brittlization, gummed carbuerator, gummed fuel lines, gummed oil pan, gaskets, fillways, coolant lines rotted, locked up speedometer cable, transmission flow lines, etc.......this is good for nothing but sitting somewhere else just as it is now - unstarted, undriven....


61 posted on 12/13/2010 2:23:22 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: hoyt-clagwell
According to Motor Trend:

2011 Maxima 0-60: 5.9 sec.
1987 GNX 0-60: 5.4 sec.

Not exactly eating it's lunch. More like in the margin of error where the driver could make the difference.

62 posted on 12/13/2010 2:24:43 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: thackney
1/3 had survived but after major repairs from the accidents.

I always wanted one, but couldn't afford one new, and EVERY SINGLE used one I looked at had been wrecked and badly repaired.

63 posted on 12/13/2010 2:27:01 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: 5thGenTexan

Fuel injection is squirted into the cylinders. Therefore it is forced not natural. NASCAR only allows N/A engines, no fuel injectors. I work in a race shop and know the difference. Hence the term fuel injectors, they inject the fuel!! It is not brought into the cylinders by natural aspiration!


64 posted on 12/13/2010 2:28:09 PM PST by LooneyTick (Of all the things in life I've lost, I miss my mind the most!)
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To: Gaffer
True. I have a friend who bought his dream car - a Ferrari. The car had very low miles; it was just one of many toys in a rich man's toy box who had grown bored with it.

He spent many thousands of dollars getting it road-worthy from all the sitting.

I bet this type of thing is why Ferrari now screens potential high end purchasers to ensure that they will not buy the Enzos just to let them rot as museum pieces in a garage.

65 posted on 12/13/2010 2:28:59 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: Mariner

Do a Grand National youtube search. Regardless of the numbers, that car can outrun just about anything that’s stock.


66 posted on 12/13/2010 2:30:06 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: 5thGenTexan
According to Motor Trend: 2011 Maxima 0-60: 5.9 sec. 1987 GNX 0-60: 5.4 sec. Not exactly eating it's lunch. More like in the margin of error where the driver could make the difference.

Yes that is eating your lunch. That is nearly 1/2 second on 0-60. That's a car length or greater. 1/4 mile times would be even greater maybe 2-3 car lengths...and that is eating someones lunch.

In the drag racing world 1/2 second is slow motion. Many races are won or lost with with less than .001 second.

67 posted on 12/13/2010 2:30:56 PM PST by hoyt-clagwell (5:00 AM Gym Crew Jerking Iron.....)
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To: doodad

Check this out!


68 posted on 12/13/2010 2:31:44 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: 5thGenTexan

You have to run them to keep them limber....just like a body in some respects. I had the same problem I bought from my mother, a Thunderbird in excellent (apparent) shape....it sat for years unused (or just barely)....most of the problems I described were there.


69 posted on 12/13/2010 2:34:03 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Responsibility2nd

One of my favorite cars is the Suburu WRX. Wouldn’t know it hauled by looking at it.


70 posted on 12/13/2010 2:34:34 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: Moose4

You sure you were’nt in the seat next to me in Windsor Ont. that night ,because that’s exactly what the GNX did to my 5.0 mustang, not even close.


71 posted on 12/13/2010 2:35:27 PM PST by heshtesh (ueer)
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To: LooneyTick
Aspiration mean to breathe. It is about the air. It has nothing to do with fuel. I did not make up this definition, check the site I referred to.

Here is another site where a high performance engine shop has a listing for a "Normally aspirated - Fuel Injected" engine: http://www.performanceinjectionequipment.com/fi%20mopar.php. They sell engines for a living and are a more credible source that I.

And NASCAR controls many aspects of the car: aspiration, fuel delivery, shape, materials, the list goes on and on.

72 posted on 12/13/2010 2:36:55 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: dhs12345
Wonder how it handles, too?

Like a hog in a mud puddle...

...it wallowed.

73 posted on 12/13/2010 2:37:50 PM PST by OldSmaj (I am an avowed enemy of islam and Obama is a damned fool and traitor. Questions?)
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To: thackney
As a result, the GNX will actually lift the rear end up when the car is about to launch heavily. It’s an interesting and intimidating sight.

I would love to see video of that.

BTW, I think it's the torque figure that sets the GNX apart from modern V6 Camrys and Maximas. The hp figure doesn't tell the whole story. I also note that the GNX did 0 to 60 in 5.4 seconds. That's fast even for today.

74 posted on 12/13/2010 2:40:09 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: LooneyTick

If you work in a race shop then you know the opposite of N/A is FI, either a supercharger or turbo.


75 posted on 12/13/2010 2:40:19 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: OldSmaj
Lol. Interesting picture.

Modern cars certainly have the edge. Lighter, better handling...

76 posted on 12/13/2010 2:42:32 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Responsibility2nd
Ah, the 3.7L.

Yes, that is a beast! My guess is that is the same engine with the same tuning as the 370Z.

Too bad we waited until 2011 to buy a Maxima - back in the day they had the exact engine the Z car did.

:-)

77 posted on 12/13/2010 2:42:38 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: Yardstick

I’ve heard some trick about doing something to that rear side that lifted up so that it would stay planted. Basically a hack mod that adds even more takeoff power to the car.


78 posted on 12/13/2010 2:43:41 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: 5thGenTexan

OK I have to apologize, fuel has nothing to do with this, it’s only how the air is handled. NASCAR and most race series only use carburetors and that is what I’m familiar with. Have a great day!!


79 posted on 12/13/2010 2:45:17 PM PST by LooneyTick (Of all the things in life I've lost, I miss my mind the most!)
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To: RexBeach
I never understood the attraction to this car.

6 cylinders? Turbocharged? How much HP could it be?

Off the showroom floor it was a high 14 second quarter-miler. Which for the eighties was very good.

But slightly modified, it was a screamer. Many run in the 10 second bracket with ease.

A fairly highly modified GNX ran an 8.57 second quarter ! Lots and lots of horsepower.

80 posted on 12/13/2010 2:45:42 PM PST by jimt
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