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Airport Scanner Technology Mounted On US Gov't Vans To Scan What's In Nearby Vehicles
techdirt ^ | August 25, 2010 | Unknown

Posted on 08/26/2010 10:44:09 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright

Airport Scanner Technology Mounted On US Gov't Vans To Scan What's In Nearby Vehicles

from the illegal-search? dept

Already thought those full body scanners at the airports were a bit much when it came to privacy? How about having government officials sitting in a van next to you scanning your car as you drive by with the same basic technology, without you even knowing about it? Jay points us to the news that a version of the same backscatter x-ray scanner technology found in airports has also been sold to the US and other governments to mount on vans to scan nearby vehicles to see what's inside. Apparently, the company has sold 500 of these already. Many of them are used in war zones to scan for things like car bombs, but apparently some of them are in use in the US, letting them see views such as the following on nearby vehicles:



Now, I can see the argument for using such a technology in a war zone, but it seems to open a lot of questions concerning how it's used in the US. Is it an illegal search to scan a car without a warrant? A decade ago, the Supreme Court ruled that using thermal imaging to scan someone's house (say, for potential marijuana growing) was a search, and thus subject to the 4th Amendment requirement for a warrant. I find it difficult to believe that a court would find this technology any different -- so the fact that it's already being used in the US makes me wonder if it's only being used with a warrant... or if we should expect to see a lawsuit on this topic soon.


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1 posted on 08/26/2010 10:44:13 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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To: Neil E. Wright

I’m grateful that FR is one place I won’t see “If it prevents one crime/saves one life/stops the spread of a disease it’s worth it” posts when it comes to these sort of high jinks.


2 posted on 08/26/2010 10:45:52 AM PDT by relictele (Me lumen vos umbra regit)
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To: Neil E. Wright
Kyllo v. United States
3 posted on 08/26/2010 10:46:57 AM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: Neil E. Wright

To the extent these are used in war zones ... sounds like a good idea.

To the extent they are used in the United States, you’d better have a warrant or probable cause. This isn’t the same thing as law enforcement looking in a car window (which is legal). This is an invasive search.

SnakeDoc


4 posted on 08/26/2010 10:47:12 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Shut it down" ... 00:00:03 ... 00:00:02 ... 00:00:01 ... 00:00:00.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Besides the obvious invasion of privacy issue here, what is the potential health threat to the public if this is happening?


5 posted on 08/26/2010 10:48:43 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Do such legal safeguards exist at our borders?

I have no problem with the US Gov’t using this technology in a ‘no man’s land’ area between Mexico and the USA.


6 posted on 08/26/2010 10:50:24 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: frogjerk
Besides the obvious invasion of privacy issue here, what is the potential health threat to the public if this is happening?

Exactly! Do we need to wear dosimeters now? Or more importantly, lead-lined codpieces?

7 posted on 08/26/2010 10:52:28 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Obama suffers from decision-deficit disorder." Oliver North 6/25/10)
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To: relictele

Oh, you’ll see it - just not from conservatives and libertarians.


8 posted on 08/26/2010 10:56:25 AM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: scott7278; relictele

Yup, scott beat me to it.


9 posted on 08/26/2010 10:58:31 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: NonValueAdded

It appears to be the microwave based technology. The radio-activity you are thinking about (X-rays) would require a emitter on the other side of the subject.

This simply looks through the first couple layers of the subject. Depending upon the energy behind the waves, these are no more harmful than your cell phone, calculator, laptop, PC, FM radio or high voltage transmission lines that criss-cross our country delivering power to every home in the USA.


10 posted on 08/26/2010 10:58:40 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar

True enough. This seems like it would be a reasonable immigration and customs enforcement technology ... where a pre-entry vehicle search should be expected.

SnakeDoc


11 posted on 08/26/2010 10:59:19 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Shut it down" ... 00:00:03 ... 00:00:02 ... 00:00:01 ... 00:00:00.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

About a month ago I was on highway 52 just south of St. Paul MN, when I saw two brand new vehicles parked in the median parallel to traffic. One was a small truck and the other was a Suburban. Both had Department of Homeland Security markings on them. I wandered why homeland security vehicles were parked in the median of a major highway. After reading this article, I wander if it was one of these X-ray vehicles.


12 posted on 08/26/2010 11:01:20 AM PDT by rightsmart
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To: relictele

Countermeasures, anyone? Enough is enough.


13 posted on 08/26/2010 11:02:09 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: relictele
I’m grateful that FR is one place I won’t see “If it prevents one crime/saves one life/stops the spread of a disease it’s worth it” posts when it comes to these sort of high jinks.

in before the statists, but they'll be here.

14 posted on 08/26/2010 11:03:08 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Defeat Dingy Harry Reid)
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To: SnakeDoctor
True enough. This seems like it would be a reasonable immigration and customs enforcement technology ... where a pre-entry vehicle search should be expected.
Yup. That's where it belongs. On the border. (Or with a warrant.)
15 posted on 08/26/2010 11:03:18 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: All

turn it up a few rads and you have instant sterilization guns.

hmmm which country though of using radiation x-rays as a means of covert sterilization....somthing in the 1930’s.


16 posted on 08/26/2010 11:08:09 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: rightsmart

There were all sorts of white, unmarked, probably Homeland Insecurity vans in 2006, watching the Minutemen. You heard that right, not the alien criminals but the watchers watching them. There were all sorts of rumors then (I have no hard evidence though it probably exists, some took photos) about the spy technology being used on us. They sure had a lot of antennas coming out of their cars. And mind you, this was in the middle of nowhere, so pretty easy to spot. Also, the ACLU was out there at the ranches, photographing us as we came and went.

They one-world government is acclimating us to being watched at all times, we are in the police state already, especially here in the Southwest.

They NEVER use that technology, not even red light cameras (which I oppose also because they mainly catch innocent yellow light turners, no, not me because I avoid the intersections) on foreign nationals.

It wouldn’t be sensitive and “we” want to encourage criminals but make the law-abiding citizens paranoid and frightened.

“We” even set aside federal lands for the invaders now, where they can freely set fires, hunt wildlife, leave tons of trash, defecate in streams, etc. We Americans must pay for the privilege of entering these areas, if they even remain open to us. And are harassed endlessly for various permits. Not to mention prison time if we start a forest fire.


17 posted on 08/26/2010 11:14:25 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Neil E. Wright

All your privacy are belong to us.


18 posted on 08/26/2010 11:16:28 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: frogjerk

>>Besides the obvious invasion of privacy issue here, what is the potential health threat to the public if this is happening?<<

Can’t agree with you more. We already know that these full-body scanners increase the risk of cancer, but yet, the youtube video on this touts it as a wonderful safety measure. Things seem to be getting more Orwellian as each year passes by.


19 posted on 08/26/2010 11:28:22 AM PDT by Deo confidimus
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To: Hodar

>>I have no problem with the US Gov’t using this technology in a ‘no man’s land’ area between Mexico and the USA.<<

Yeah, that’s the place to be driving around with these vans, not just down random streets like they showed in the youtube video.


20 posted on 08/26/2010 11:31:10 AM PDT by Deo confidimus
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