Actually 1814. During the War of 1812. It destroyed the Federalist Party.
This is a possibly unintentional misstatement of what Lincoln said in his speech.
At the time Lincoln and a great many other Free Soil men believed there was a conspiracy among southerners, using the power of the federal government, to force slavery on the rest of the states. There was some evidence at the time and since to support this position. That is what he was concerned about.
Lincoln himself at the time of this speech and up to the Emancipation Proclamation recognized the federal government as having no power to interfere with slavery within a state. He even recognized this in the EP, as it affected only areas in rebellion against the Union.
If the south would’ve won, we’d have it made.
If you haven’t, you should, read “The Grey Book.” It offers insight into freedom for the individual.
Well-written article; thank you for posting it.
I love this book.
The Politically Incorrect Guide to The South
http://www.thepoliticallyincorrectguidetothesouth.com/
The Biggest Myths About the South
The South is unsophisticated compared to the North and West Coast. The truth is Southerners invented musical forms like rock and roll, jazz, blues and bluegrass. We created the motion picture industry. The first women’s colleges and the oldest public universities were all started here.
The South is “rural redneck.” The nation’s largest banks and the world’s largest corporation are based here. The first successful black politicians on the national stage were Southerners. The first two Jewish U.S. Senators were Southerners. The most popular destination for people of all races to move to is The South and away from The North.
Southerners supported slavery while Northerners hated it. No Southern alive today disputes that slavery was morally wrong, but the fact remains that all Northern states once had slaves, and virtually all of the slave ships were owned by Yankees. Profits from the slave trade stayed in the North.
Southerners tried to break up the Union. It was New England which invented the idea of secession; first in objection to the Louisiana Purchase in 1803 doubling the nation’s land area, and then in 1814 when New England wanted to trade with enemy England during the War of 1812.
The War For Southern Independence was about “slavery.” While the South foolishly defended slavery in early 1860s rhetoric, The War was really fought over power and money. If Northerners had a moral objection to slavery in the 19th century, why did they finance the slave trade in the 18th century?
The Confederate battle flag symbolizes slavery. The battle flag, designed to resemble the cross favored by Jesus’ disciple St. Andrew, as well as the ancient flag of Scotland, did not fly over any slave ships. It flew over the Confederate ancestors of at least 30 million Southerners who fought, bled, and died defending their homes from invading Union armies.
The Confederate flag is used by the Klan. The largest march ever staged by the Klan was in 1925 Washington, D.C. Thousands of American flags were carried, but not a single Confederate flag. The Klan, when it does march, still carries the U.S. flag.
I love my southern brothers but this revionist history is crap. The LEADERSHIP of the South forced a civil war. The SCOTUS decision to open the Territories to slavery guaranteed war.
The first shot was fired by the South at Fort Sumter.
And don’t forge that there is a God in Heaven. The grievous sin of slavery needed attonement.
A house divided cannot stand.
It’s rather silly, when the country is in danger, to go back to the civil war. The South did not win. We ‘are’ one country. The best country on the planet. It’s useless speculation that solves nothing and sounds a bit whiney.
I used to say “If the South would have won, it would be a third world nation right now.”
My father said “Have you seen Arkansas? It looks like and is run as a third world country.”
When the state of Mississippi's Secession Resolution reads as follows, what else are we to conlclude?
Whereas, The Constitutional Union was formed by the several States in their separate sovereign capacity for the purpose of mutual advantage and protection;
That the several States are distinct sovereignties, whose supremacy is limited so far only as the same has been delegated by voluntary compact to a Federal Government, and when it fails to accomplish the ends for which it was established, the parties to the compact have the right to resume, each State for itself, such delegated powers;
That the institution of slavery existed prior to the formation of the Federal Constitution, and is recognized by its letter, and all efforts to impair its value or lessen its duration by Congress, or any of the free States, is a violation of the compact of Union and is destructive of the ends for which it was ordained, but in defiance of the principles of the Union thus established, the people of the Northern States have assumed a revolutionary position towards the Southern States;
That they have set at defiance that provision of the Constitution which was intended to secure domestic tranquillity among the States and promote their general welfare, namely: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due;"
That they have by voluntary associations, individual agencies and State legislation interfered with slavery as it prevails in the slave-holding States;
That they have enticed our slaves from us, and by State intervention obstructed and prevented their rendition under the fugitive slave law;
That they continue their system of agitation obviously for the purpose of encouraging other slaves to escape from service, to weaken the institution in the slave-holding States by rendering the holding of such property insecure, and as a consequence its ultimate abolition certain;
I am a Southerner although I have lived most of my life in the Midwest. I know that whenever the term, South, is used in discussing the Civil War, it conjures up all sorts of baggage. Maybe it is better to discuss the principles rather than the fight for southern independence. I make no defense of slavery. It was wrong even though it had been practiced throughout human history, even by the Founding Fathers. The issue deals with the authority of a central government over against a state’s authority. It is plain from the Constitution that the federal government was to be a limited government and that individual states were tasked with providing for the needs of the people in those states. The Civil War created a situation in which the Union’s interest superseded the interests of an individual state. It marked a dramatic turn in which America was no longer a nation composed of sovereign states, but a unified central government. Washington became America. As we have seen, the expansion and intrusion of the federal government into the lives of everyone living in the nation’s borders has all but destroyed state’s rights. We have an imperial hegemony sitting in Washington. More and more power is distributed amongst fewer and fewer people. It is truly closer to a dictatorship than a republic.
If you want to know the role the South will play in America’s future after democracy reaches end game this Friday or Saturday, I would suggest you read William W. Johnstone’s “Ashes” series. And then prepare to follow Ben Raines!
Yep, and you are selling all of your land to Yankee corporate transplants/retirees who don’t give a damn about your precious heritage.
To this point, 37 states have taken up legislation to essentially resurrect the nullification doctrine and void the enforcement of the blatantly unconstitutional individual mandate should ObamaCare pass.
It’s been a long time since three-fourths of the states in this country have been on the same page regarding anything, much less such a critical issue.
Yes, the spirit of the South is rising again, but this time it’s different. This time it’s all over the country.
This, to me, is the original point; this is why I posted this article/blog.
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| Platform of the Alabama Democracy -- the first Dixiecrats wanted to be able to expand slavery into the territories. It was precisely the issue of slavery that drove secession -- and talk about "sovereignty" pertained to restrictions on slavery's expansion into the territories. | January 1860 |
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| Abraham Lincoln nominated by Republican Party | May 18, 1860 |
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| Abraham Lincoln elected | November 6, 1860 |
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| Robert Toombs, Speech to the Georgia Legislature -- "...In 1790 we had less than eight hundred thousand slaves. Under our mild and humane administration of the system they have increased above four millions. The country has expanded to meet this growing want, and Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Missouri, have received this increasing tide of African labor; before the end of this century, at precisely the same rate of increase, the Africans among us in a subordinate condition will amount to eleven millions of persons. What shall be done with them? We must expand or perish. We are constrained by an inexorable necessity to accept expansion or extermination. Those who tell you that the territorial question is an abstraction, that you can never colonize another territory without the African slavetrade, are both deaf and blind to the history of the last sixty years. All just reasoning, all past history, condemn the fallacy. The North understand it better - they have told us for twenty years that their object was to pen up slavery within its present limits - surround it with a border of free States, and like the scorpion surrounded with fire, they will make it sting itself to death." | November 13, 1860 |
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| Alexander H. Stephens -- "...The first question that presents itself is, shall the people of Georgia secede from the Union in consequence of the election of Mr. Lincoln to the Presidency of the United States? My countrymen, I tell you frankly, candidly, and earnestly, that I do not think that they ought. In my judgment, the election of no man, constitutionally chosen to that high office, is sufficient cause to justify any State to separate from the Union. It ought to stand by and aid still in maintaining the Constitution of the country. To make a point of resistance to the Government, to withdraw from it because any man has been elected, would put us in the wrong. We are pledged to maintain the Constitution." | November 14, 1860 |
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| South Carolina | December 20, 1860 |
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| Mississippi | January 9, 1861 |
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| Florida | January 10, 1861 |
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| Alabama | January 11, 1861 |
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| Georgia | January 19, 1861 |
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| Louisiana | January 26, 1861 |
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| Texas | February 23, 1861 |
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| Abraham Lincoln sworn in as President of the United States |
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| Arizona territory | March 16, 1861 |
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| CSA Vice President Alexander H. Stephens, Cornerstone speech -- "...last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the 'rock upon which the old Union would split.' He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact." | March 21, 1861 |
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| Virginia | adopted April 17,1861 ratified by voters May 23, 1861 |
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| Arkansas | May 6, 1861 |
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| North Carolina | May 20, 1861 |
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| Tennessee | adopted May 6, 1861 ratified June 8, 1861 |
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| West Virginia declares for the Union | June 19, 1861 |
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| Missouri | October 31, 1861 |
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| "Convention of the People of Kentucky" | November 20, 1861 |
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“The American republic is drowning in a cesspool of liberal hypocrisy”...deputytess
It would be nice but where I live there are now way too many northerners....at least a quarter of the population now.
Fortunately when you get outside Nashville proper you get good Yankees...they are refugess from the mess they grew up in and their bad kin destroyed.
They are welcome here...as long as they leave my heritage alone....we honor their dead they had to leave here after we killed them same as we do our own...btw...it’s good manners after you kill your righteous enemy.
but in Nashville proper you get mostly bad Yankees...moonbat types wanting to destroy the city just like they did where they came from....Nashville proper is now run by a progressive Democrat block of blacks, hispanics, homosexuals and urban yankee transplant districts...and they have the power.
which I why I left for the rural area
The South is something of a victim of it’s success...like being the biggest freshest cowpatty in the field always get the best mushrooms but also the most flies.