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California Fuel Move Angers Ethanol Makers
The NY Times ^ | 24 April 2009 | Kate Galbraith

Posted on 04/24/2009 6:35:30 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi

Ethanol producers reacted with dismay to California’s approval of the nation’s first low-carbon fuel standard, which will require the state’s mix of fuels to be 10 percent lower in greenhouse gas emissions by 2020.

In a 9-1 vote late Thursday, the state’s Air Resources Board approved the measure (see background here).

“The drive to force the market toward greater use of alternative fuels will be a boon to the state’s economy and public health — it reduces air pollution, creates new jobs and continues California’s leadership in the fight against global warming,” said the California board’s chairman, Mary D. Nichols, in a statement.

But the ethanol industry is concerned that the regulations give a poor emissions score to their corn-based product, in some cases ranking it as a bigger emitter than petroleum.

(Excerpt) Read more at greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: carb; environment; fuel
So, ethanol is identified as having higher emissions than petroleum products.......where have we heard that before we spent billions subsidizing this folly?
1 posted on 04/24/2009 6:35:30 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

But rather than recognize that we are being scammed, people will jump on board the swindle du jour


2 posted on 04/24/2009 6:38:31 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Erik Latranyi

A clash of two con artists; The California legislature and ethanol producers.

They’ve both had more than enough taxpayer money.


3 posted on 04/24/2009 6:39:04 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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Bwahahaha! Now even lib whacko California is admitting ethanol is crap. It was never about the environment folks, it was always about the money and the ethanol pushers have been exposed.


4 posted on 04/24/2009 6:40:20 AM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: Erik Latranyi

IIRC in the total picture Ethanol in materials growth, or production of materials consumed plus the manufacturing process, as well the burning of the product in our engines out pollutes standard fuels is what I have read.

This potential was all cited during the debates prior to subsidizing Ethanol IIRC.


5 posted on 04/24/2009 6:41:37 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: icwhatudo
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6 posted on 04/24/2009 6:49:39 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Erik Latranyi
which will require the state’s mix of fuels to be 10 percent lower in greenhouse gas emissions by 2020.

Is this in any way possible to meet or is it engineeringly unfeasable?

7 posted on 04/24/2009 6:55:32 AM PDT by sr4402
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““The drive to force the market toward greater use of alternative fuels will be a boon to the state’s economy and public health — it reduces air pollution, creates new jobs and continues California’s leadership in the fight against global warming,” said the California board’s chairman, Mary D. Nichols, in a statement. “

No Mary. It will drive up gasoline prices, which will result in less driving which will result in reduced tax revenues which will result in raising the gas tax which will result in higher gas prices.......


8 posted on 04/24/2009 7:04:10 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (I am a right wing extremist. God Bless America)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I recommend that California water down its fuels with - water. I’d say about 10% watered down by 2020 should do the trick. This will definitely produce fuels with 10% less carbon output, probably a whole lot less, actually.

Water is a very beneficial substance (so far at any rate), being natural, renewable, and plentiful.

I’d suggest that the introduction be done very slowly so that the current generation of carbon-burning power plants and engines have a chance to get use to the full 10% amount. By 2020, with a full 10% dilution, Californians will have tremendous reason to rejoice from the low amount of carbon emanating from their engines and power plants.

In short, I could go on and on about the virtues of water as a fuel additive for California, but I think that most right-thinking people will agree with me that this is the fuel additive most suited for California.


9 posted on 04/24/2009 7:08:54 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from The Right Stuff)
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To: Erik Latranyi
“The drive to force the market toward greater use of alternative fuels will be a boon to the state’s economy and public health — it reduces air pollution, creates new jobs and continues California’s leadership in the fight against global warming,” said the California board’s chairman, Mary D. Nichols, in a statement.

It's hard to fathom that these idiots actually believe their own blather.

10 posted on 04/24/2009 7:24:48 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Sprechen sie Austrian?)
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To: catnipman

Only bottled water, not dirty tap water.


11 posted on 04/24/2009 7:40:33 AM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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Nichols has devoted her entire career in public and private, not-for-profit service to advocating for the environment and public health. In addition to her work at the Air Board, she has held a number of positions, including: assistant administrator for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Air and Radiation program under the Clinton Administration, Secretary for California’s Resources Agency from 1999 to 2003, and Director of the University of California, Los Angeles Institute of the Environment.
As one of California’s first environmental lawyers, she initiated precedent-setting test cases under the Federal Clean Air Act and California air quality laws while practicing as a staff attorney for the Center for Law in the Public Interest. Nichols holds a Juris Doctorate degree from Yale Law School and a Bachelor of Arts degree from Cornell University.


12 posted on 04/24/2009 7:42:37 AM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Leisler

Even worse. A lawyer pretending to be a scientist.


13 posted on 04/24/2009 8:36:56 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Sprechen sie Austrian?)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Perhaps if businesses such as Big Oil and Big Ethanol stopped selling their products in California, there would be a quick recalibration of attitudes by the scumbag politicians. Let ‘em walk!


14 posted on 04/24/2009 9:01:51 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (I am inconsolate over the death of our country.)
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To: Erik Latranyi; FrPR; enough_idiocy; Desdemona; rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

15 posted on 04/24/2009 11:38:59 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." -Lady Thatcher)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Yale law, like the Clintons.


16 posted on 04/24/2009 2:24:49 PM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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