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UFO or not UFO? Area 51 declassifying pours cold water on theory..
The Tech Herald ^ | April 12th, 2009 | Rich Bowden

Posted on 04/13/2009 11:39:11 AM PDT by TaraP

A former engineer at the top secret airfield "Area 51" in Nevada has spoken out about UFO sightings in the region in the 1960s, saying the witnessed flashes of light were part of top secret US aircraft experiments.

In an interview with ABC News, Thornton "T.D." Barnes, 72, a former special-projects engineer at Area 51 said: "No one really knew we existed. Even our wives didn't know where we were going when we left Monday morning and came back Friday evening."

Barnes was an electronics engineer for NASA who also specialised in advance radar and Soviet MiG fighter aircraft and was asked to join a team of CIA experts who would work on secret military projects at the infamous base.

UFO folklore has it that Area 51, about 80 miles north northwest of Las Vegas, is where captured aliens and their spacecraft have been stored by the US military. The conspiracy theory comes in part because of the preponderance of strange, unaccounted for lights that have been seen in the region of the top secret military base.

However Barnes poured cold water on the theory saying the "alien spaceships" were in fact light flashes from top secret spy planes being flown at 2,000 miles per hour at altitudes of 90,000 feet.

The experimental planes produced light flashes that some interpreted as alien spaceships and this was considered helpful by the team in covering their activities.

"We considered it to be a bonus," said Barnes. "They made it easier to conceal what we were doing."

However some ufologists have said the area has only been partly declassified and UFO work at the base may well have carried out though in a region unknown to engineers such as Barnes.

"Those guys who came forward may very well be telling the truth, with the caveat that they wouldn't know if there was something going on," said Stanton T. Friedman, a nuclear physicist, lecturer and top UFO researcher.

Friedman added that evidence coming out of places such as Area 51 proved how much was going on in the country without peoples' knowledge.

"National security has a real place in all of this stuff. There is no way to tell your friends without telling your enemies," he said. "A lot of Americans woke up to the fact that there's a lot going on that they don't get told about."


TOPICS: Conspiracy; UFO's
KEYWORDS: aatip; area51; fringe; mystery; ohsomysteriouso; uap; ufo; ufos; usaf
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To: TaraP
Interesting, and thanks for the reasoned and respectful tone.

So, to make sure I get this right, Reptilians are likely the fallen angels, and grays and light grays are “pleadians,” beings from the Pleiades cluster. But what of the reported abductions and experiments by the grays? Are these Pleasdians are here to help humans evolve to a higher form of being, and if so, why the hurtful abductions and experiments? Do I have this right?

That said, are there other alien beings in the universe not associated with angels or demons?

Like I said, not being difficult, as my questions are honest. You know, many times when people exchange thoughts they speak with a certain level of what I call “assumed knowledge,” as in the speaker assumes the listener has a level of familiarity with the subject above what may be actually the case, and this situation causes confusion.

481 posted on 04/14/2009 3:26:26 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: razorboy
Have you ever heard of Chuck Missler?
482 posted on 04/14/2009 3:29:46 PM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren

Only in passing.


483 posted on 04/14/2009 3:35:30 PM PDT by razorboy
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To: razorboy
He may be able to shed some light about UFO’s and scripture in a language that would appeal to your technical background. I believe his website is www.khouse.org
484 posted on 04/14/2009 3:40:25 PM PDT by marbren
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To: razorboy
"Would they travel on a ship like device? A ship that crashed in NM? A ship that gave us the the basics for transistors and kevlar and lots of other cool post 1947 inventions?"

Elijah was taken up in a "firey chariot" so perhaps there is some device that the angels use when they need to carry men, who's bodies cannot tolerate the conditions through which they must travel when they go with angels.

485 posted on 04/14/2009 3:44:20 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

And then they crashed it and we figured out how to make transistors from the part? And who were they picking up in 1947 New Mexico anyway? Where was his body?

The whole aliens are angels (fallen or otherwise) thing has a lot of issues. Not only do you have to prove non-human visitors, which is still pretty far up in the air, then you have to link them to the Bible.


486 posted on 04/14/2009 3:50:35 PM PDT by razorboy
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To: Caramelgal

What if what you think is real is an illusion?


487 posted on 04/14/2009 3:51:17 PM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren

I’ll poke around but in my drive by he seems pretty out there. The whole peanut butter thing makes me not want to believe anything he says, even things as fundamental as “day is light”.


488 posted on 04/14/2009 3:51:46 PM PDT by razorboy
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To: razorboy

Start with his resume


489 posted on 04/14/2009 3:54:53 PM PDT by marbren
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To: razorboy

http://www.khouse.org/pages/mcat/khouse/about_the_misslers/


490 posted on 04/14/2009 4:00:12 PM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren

I’ve done hiring, resumes don’t impress me anymore. Especially self published and unverified.


491 posted on 04/14/2009 4:02:16 PM PDT by razorboy
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To: marbren
What if what you think is real is an illusion?

You mean like the 9/11 Truthers?
492 posted on 04/14/2009 4:06:55 PM PDT by Caramelgal (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: razorboy
"And then they crashed it and we figured out how to make transistors from the part? And who were they picking up in 1947 New Mexico anyway? Where was his body?"

I don't think that you are looking at this logically. - The found body, if there was one, would not be the angel, but who he had come to take or bring. The angel is immortal, and would have survived the crash easily.

493 posted on 04/14/2009 4:07:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: razorboy
I only bring him up because he has a neat, technical insight, perspective to God's word that I thought might appeal to you.
494 posted on 04/14/2009 4:10:33 PM PDT by marbren
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To: Caramelgal

You feel you are alive right? What if you are actually dead.


495 posted on 04/14/2009 4:11:40 PM PDT by marbren
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To: editor-surveyor

But that breaks from Roswell mythology that the bodies were distinctly not human. I am looking at it logically, but there’s serious logic gaps in the narrative, lots of assumptions many of which are contradictory.


496 posted on 04/14/2009 4:11:43 PM PDT by razorboy
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To: razorboy

The bodies would be hybrid human, just as they were mentioned in Genesis. I don’t see why you would view this as an inconsistency.


497 posted on 04/14/2009 4:15:20 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: razorboy
"I’ve done hiring, resumes don’t impress me anymore."

Missler is an impressive intelect.

498 posted on 04/14/2009 4:17:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: TaraP

Thx. Felt good.


499 posted on 04/14/2009 4:20:38 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: razorboy

Your “we”

is greatly flawed.


500 posted on 04/14/2009 4:22:09 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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