Posted on 10/12/2008 8:07:27 AM PDT by jveritas
It is very sad the number of people on this forum who fell for the lies of the liberal media and consider it as the golden truth. They believe their biased polls, they believe all the fabricated doom and gloom scenarios that the media unleash each minute, they now believe the lies that McCain is fighting with Palin over the style of campaigning, they believe that is all over and we cannot win.
Yet those are the same people who make fun for what they like to call “sheeple” and say that they are controlled by the media but in reality they are worse than any “sheeple” because they fall for all the lies and fabrication that the media spew constantly.
They are the one who lecture Republicans to get a spine or balls or whatever macho word they like to use in each comment they post but yet they have already surrendered and declared all is lost and we cannot win.
For the vast majority of us Freepers we are going to fight and we are going to win and will never believe the lies and fabrications of the media.
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I never argue with a man who knows himself..
Hooah.
I’m with you! The media is doing it’s best right now to demoralize us, I’m not falling for it. Now’s the time to fight with everything we’ve got.
Agree with you 100%. It ain’t over ‘til it’s over. We will fight and the pessimists should get on the train or out of the way.
I’m with you on this.
Of course, I don’t watch television and read newspapers, so I cannot allow them to sway me with their negativism.
If you watch and read that stuff (If I read the Boston Fishwrap, then turned on the talking heads this morning) it has little relation to reality, and will certainly demoralize you, which is exactly what they want.
I will not play their game, but many are.
When ever I find myself with a defeatist attitude, I go to the cemetery and replace the flags on my father’s and grandfather’s graves.
I suggest the same for others.
Some people don’t realize that the PURPOSE of the MSM is exactly to demoralize McCain voters, making “Obama is inevitable” a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The problem isn’t that freepers believe the media lies. We know that they are full of crap. The problem is that people who don’t follow political issues very closely, namely the great majority of undecided voters who will decide this election, get all of their news from the liars.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2103612/posts
We’re rolling out the big guns the last 3 weeks.
One poll has Obama up 8 over McCain in West Virginia. NO WAY!!!!
The media is absolutely desperate!
Think about it. If Obama loses they lose.
If this were in a round of "Texas Hold'em", they'd be "all in". They came out of their closet and are supporting him openly.
If he loses, it will point out the fact that the media no longer has any clout, and their egos just could not stand the thought of that.
Short answer? The published polls ain’t worth a damn.
Thank you, sir. The media’s goal is to make it ‘appear’ this is inevitable. The polls are probably in O’s favor at this moment, but not by a lot. Those that moved in his direction did so only due to the economic crisis. With 20+ days left, a lot can happen. The more likely an Obama win, the more focus on what he actually WILL do.
Problem is, the medis is engaging in the tactic of ignoring. When they went proactive a la’ Dan Rather, we were able to get them. It’s hard to fight the silent tactic. We will keep on though.
I have grown to really like the term talking heads for TV news. I rarely see a newspaper because I don’t have any birds. The Right radio stations and internet do we well.
This happens every election season, j. Hang in there, it’s just a few nervous Nellies (OK - maybe more than a few...).
They have parroted the socialist/communist line and realize if they change horses now, Obama people will scream racism at the MSM.
However I blame the MSM for setting up this country for some rough times in regards to race! They are inciting many people for no good reason.
1948 ELECTION RESULTS:
Electoral votes: Truman: 303, Dewey: 189.
Popular votes: Truman 49%, Dewey 45%
It's not over, 'til it's over. The election is still very close. Don't forget that 500 votes in Florida made the difference between President Bush or President Gore in 2000.
The media lies, but the American people don’t know that.
Another vanity.
You sound like John Lewis. Whiner.
I live in one of the most Republican areas of Missouri. I went out to get the Sunday paper and saw many Obama signs. I didn’t see any McCain signs.
I don’t believe the election can be predicted until a week or two before election day but if McCain don’t win my part of the state in a normal percentage or higher for the Republican candidate then he loses Missouri. He loses Missouri most likely he loses the election.
The polls isn’t scaring me it is the behavior of my neighbors.
Excellent news.
However, to say that the "likely voter" polls are deliberately biased is to say that capitalism doesn't work. These companies have every reason to make the polls as accurate as they can be; if they are consistently less accurate than their competitors, they lose business. The fact is, the polls are against McCain now because McCain isn't doing very well.
IMHO, this is a direct result of the "win at any costs, even if it means abandoning our principles" strategy that we have been pursuing since Bush 1. We elect candidates that are farther and farther from our core principles, and then when they screw up we fail to defend them. Contrast this with the Democraps who are electing candidates farther and farther to the left, and won't admit they are wrong in ANY circumstance.
Bush is the ultimate example of this. His administration is a complete and utter failure with the exception that they have somehow prevented a follow-up attack since 9/11 (but look for that to end as soon as Obama is in office). And look where it has left us. Now we have an even bigger RINO running for President on a campaign of "I'm not a real Republican", and even many die-hard conservatives don't have it in them to stand up and defend Bush.
The sad thing is, this market collapse is going to be blamed on Bush. If it had happened 6 months from now, we could have ridden it to a complete route of Congressional Democrats. As it is, we are going to get more socialism.
Folks, we are in for at least 4 years (and probably more like 12) of really hard times. We'd best learn the lessons of this election well, and be ready to nominate a REAL conservative in 2012.
Right on!
That’s all good, but the American know only to replace the “Ins” (White House party) with the “Outs”. They cannot figure out much else.
The media is the battle field. We have to go to their sites and carry the flag. I may have gone too far the other day when I told some liberal smuck to get his face out of Barney Franks crotch, ;) but we have to show we can beat them on every level. As they said in Team America ...
The media is the battle field. We have to go to their sites and carry the flag. I may have gone too far the other day when I told some liberal smuck to get his face out of Barney Franks crotch, ;) but we have to show we can beat them on every level. As they said in Team America ...
Amen.
Change British Empire to the United States of America and Churchill’s words still ring true to me.
what is our aim?
I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival. Let that be realised; no survival for the British Empire, no survival for all that the British Empire has stood for, no survival for the urge and impulse of the ages, that mankind will move forward towards its goal. But I take up my task with buoyancy and hope. I feel sure that our cause will not be suffered to fail among men. At this time I feel entitled to claim the aid of all, and I say, “come then, let us go forward together with our united strength.”
My McCanin/Palin keep the faith and not falter this fight is too important.
I do believe that if Obama loses - there will be terrible times ahead and the country will be divided like never before. If McCain/Palin does win - they will have a harder time than Bush/Cheney did & will be vilified constantly in the media. Tough times are ahead no matter who wins - we will have to gird ourselves and stay strong on the rough road that lies before us.
I’m with you. I’m almost to the point of completely logging off of FR until after the election.
I’m tired of the vanities from those who are angry and/or unhappy with McCain because he won’t run his campaign the way they personally believe he should run it.
I’m tired of poll results being posted every ten minutes as though they actually mean something.
I’m tired of having to sort through threads of gloom and doom based on the above two points.
Thank goodness for PJ’s DUmmie FUnnies and the Undead Thread; but for those, I’d log off for good.
Some of this hand wringing and throwing in the towel has made me wonder if the posters are really who they claim because conservatives I know are fighters and not people to throw in the towel over what the media is saying. Throw in the fact a lot of us are broken glass Republicans that don't give in and you are left with 3rd Party types who would never support McCain or any Republican that love to get on threads to demoralize people, trolls, and a few of those from a couple of campaigns that don't want a McCain win.
Who is supporting Senator McCain? Those of us that put our differences aside and put America First and understand the ramifications of an Obama Presidency on our free speech and wallets.
Point well taken. The Obama crowd didn’t sit back as they were told that Hillary! was the inevitable candidate. They rolled up their sleeves and got to work.
I agree with you I’ve read many of your posts. LOL
Well said!
A lot of the posters you refer to are sleeper trolls who have signed up sometime ago and may even be a situation where hundreds were signed up years ago amd are only used during the election cycle.
Every day I have to post on threads that the polls are over sampling democrats and blacks. I am constantly seeing posters who’s signup date goes back years and they are posting crap. Some of these old names I don’t recall ever seeing before.
Everyone should understand that there are Leftist trolls on this site with signup dates going back years.
To arms, to arms the Marxists are coming!
And then there are FReepers who don’t believe the lies of the media, the Democrats, or the Republicans.
I know we’re scarce these days, but we do exist.
Agree 100%. We love America more than anything we differ about with Senator McCain.
The website needs freeper help posting information now!
“However, to say that the “likely voter” polls are deliberately biased is to say that capitalism doesn’t work.”
It depends on how they define “likely voters”.
It used to be that they considered the record of their votes, i.e., did they actually vote in the past several presidential elections. Now, it seems they ask the voters whether they are likely to vote in this election, and 89% say they are 90-100% sure they will vote, but the turn out is never that large. I saw this in some internals, where the they did it exactly this way. Maybe not all polls do it this way, but some do.
Oh, I only read the heading!!
This country can’t and won’t survive even four years of an Obamanation administration. We have to keep Obama from winning at all costs. We have no choice. Half of the country does not want communism, which is exactly what Obama will be installing as a form of government. Half of the country also doesn’t want gun control or late-term abortions. There is no way that our half of the country will survive under Obama and the socialists. America will cease to be a free nation if we don’t act now and prevent this travesty.
We should have never let the leftists take over our mainstream media in the first place. We should never have allowed them to indoctrinate our children in public schools for DECADES now either. When the hell are we, the people, the non-socialist people, going to wake up and do something, instead of just talk about it?
But nothing is done with the trolls.
Acorn= Fannie Mae, Sallie Mae & Freddie Mac= buyout of sub prime loans= Democrats= largest financial disaster since the great depression.
It is amazing. Normally Freepers believe nothing the propaganda press says. Yet they suddenly are convinced by polls spit out by the same liars in the media. That’s a glaring cognitive disconnect.
Every election the MSM pulls the same crap. Same scenario. Same goofy polls. The liars did it for President Gore, President Kerry and are trying again with President Nobama.
These people marching in the gloom and doom parades here on FR need to make a pot a coffee, buy a jelly doughnut, take a break and reconnect their brain neurons.
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