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Posted on 11/11/2006 4:12:45 PM PST by blam

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The Linear B Tablets and Mycenaean Social, Political, and Economic Organization
Lesson 25, The Prehistoric Archaeology of the Aegean | Revised: Friday, March 18, 2000 | Trustees of Dartmouth College
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41 posted on 11/12/2006 6:03:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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This article has to be the most amusing one I've seen this year, and it was an election year. ;'D
Tyrrhenoi, again a name which the Egyptians must have given them in captivity. The name translates to... "The wart-covered savages have a burning desire to escape"... The names Thyrrenia, Tyrrhenian Sea and the modern Isle of Tiree must have all come from this name. Serious wart problems are also mentioned in the Ogam writings on standing stones in Ireland.
It's also the root of the Tony Orlando and Dawn song from the 1970s, via the "yellow ribbon" article from Reader's Digest on which that song was based. I mean, it's so obvious -- the Druids were the Goddess-worshipping cult leaders of the Celtic Sea Peoples, and the oak was sacred to the Druids, ergo...
42 posted on 11/13/2006 10:26:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, November 13, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Velikovsky, 1952, Ages In Chaos, p 201, in footnote: "If Caphtor was not Cyprus, then no name for Cyprus and no mention of the island would be found in the Scriptures, and that would be unlikely because Cyprus is very close to Syria."
43 posted on 11/13/2006 11:25:03 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, November 13, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Legner has a screwed up link to his own index, here's the real one:

ARCHEOLOGY General Index
http://faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/archeol/archeol.ind.htm


44 posted on 11/14/2006 10:33:47 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, November 13, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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I really hate to dog-pile on this guy (okay, I'm lyin') but this is just too much fun.
Close contact was maintained by boat between these tribes trading goods and to standardize their religion, universal language, traditions and oral history. As all the Sea Peoples were actively involved in exploring the Mediterranean, Black Sea and Atlantic, the people keeping up the contacts must have heard fascinating tales of daring deeds, strange discoveries, amazing experiences and also of enormous hardships and loss of life. All these legendary tales are now irretrievably lost.
...and so we all know about their cultural identity, and of the existence and content of these tales, how?
1274 bce., Sherden auxiliaries, probably from Cyrenaica or Libya, fight alongside the Egyptian troops in the Battle of Kadesh. These may have been mercenaries who had been taken prisoners in the fighting of the past years.
AFAIK, the Sherden in the account are generally attributed to Sardinians, presumably because Sardinia is an island (they were called Sea Peoples after all) and because of the similarity of the names.
1231 bce., In the fifth year of Pharaoh Merenptah's reign, the Libyans attacked the western Nile delta over land, supported by a group of Sea Peoples who had come from Anatolia by boat to Libya (probably Kirrukaska from the north coast of Anatolia). The attack was defeated, many were captured and settled in camps and trained as Egyptian mercenaries.
The Libyans? Wouldn't the Sherden from next door help out?
1210 bce., Pharaoh Merenptah wins a decisive victory over the Libyans in the western desert. The allies of the Libyans had been the Aqaiwasha people of the "foreign lands of the sea" probably the British.
The Aqaiwasha sound like Greek mercenaries.
Originally the Sea Peoples had been those tribes which had developed boat building, sailing, oak tanning of leather and star navigation and who led a life style almost entirely dependent on the sea. They may have started their experimentation on the ocean as early as 38,000 bce. and had learned that the sea could provide a reliable food supply at all times of the year and as a result had developed highly advanced sea-food harvesting methods. They coined the name 'ocean', Greek 'okeano', oke-ano, okegin (fulness, plentiful) ano (food supply): "plentiful food supply". When the central Sahara became unlivable because of fast advancing desertification (See Climate), which forced them to flee to the coast, the Sea Peoples were ready and available to ferry the displaced tribes and their livestock north to Europe.
The central Sahara became unlivable, so they fled to Europe? Desertification wasn't complete even as recently as 2500 years ago, in Herodotus' time, although he explicitly refers to the sand sea; he also mentions that the remains of Lake Tritonis were still there, by then a chain of connected and isolated marshes.
The Berbers from Morocco likely were the Shekelesh (3) of the Egyptian records, while the people of Britain may have been called the Aqaiwasha. It appears that the people of the Hebrides and Scotland were known to the Egyptians as the Tyrrhenoi(4), the people of Odysseus' tribe, later known to the Romans as the Picts. Their migration was a simple one and covered an area that was within easy reach of the homeland.
"Hey, I've got a great idea! Let's pack up aboard ship and sail to someplace we've never even heard of, then have our butts handed to us in a war with some country we've got no quarrel with!" "Great idea, Bob! I'll text-message the Berbers and the Aqaiwasha!"
The people, jokingly called the Black Irish, have dark hair and eyes, wedge-shaped faces and look like Berbers and Basques. Their blood type proves that Berbers and Basques were originally closely related people, as many of them have Rh-negative blood.
Y'know, because Rh-negative blood is really rare, that it originated among the Basques and Berbers, and couldn't have come from anywhere else. :'P
Today in many publications, the presence of these dark-eyed people is explained as them being castaways of the huge Spanish armada which was defeated in 1588 by a coalition of British and Dutch sailors in the North Sea... There is little doubt that the Black Irish are the descendants of the oldest population of the British Isles and Ireland.
I wonder sometimes if anyone has ever heard of "The Book of Invasions"?
45 posted on 11/14/2006 10:55:18 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, November 13, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Where does the Dorians fit in on this? There was a History Channel Special on the Sea Peoples a while back. It put out the theory that the Sea Peoples were a mix bag of uprooted peoples that started with the Dorian migration to the Peloponnese.


46 posted on 11/16/2006 4:46:26 AM PST by neb52
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Since the Mycenaeans used Linear B to record the Greek language, there was no Dorian invasion at that time.

Linear B was derived from Linear A, which suggests that earlier on, the ancestors to the Greeks came in from somewhere, or had a sudden population explosion, perhaps as an exploited people. An analogous (and later) situation would be that of the slavery imposed by the Spartans in the Peloponnese. The population of the Spartan master race declined over a few centuries, while the population held in thrall (and therefore, not feeding its children to the sword) increased in size. The Battle of Leuctra saw the Spartans unable to field even 1000 citizen troops; its army was annihilated by that of Thebes (the real winner of the Peloponnesian War), and the Theban army then marched hither and yon around former Spartan territory and built walled towns to hold the former slaves of the Spartans.


47 posted on 11/16/2006 10:40:44 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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49 posted on 08/29/2008 1:26:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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50 posted on 12/02/2008 8:43:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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WOW, what strange new worlds we discover in this pest controller's writings!! I suspect some of it may even be true, but it is certainly NOT worth the enormous effort to separate the grains of wheat from the bushels of chaff. What is particularly silly is the idea that a world ranging ‘league of sea peoples’, existing for 37, 000 years as a world naval power, left no written and barely any archaeological evidence for their existence. Skimmed through it up to the point where Ikhnaton was attempting to restore the religion of a monotheistic Mother Goddess in Egypt, thus pinning my BS meter all the way off the scale. It is an interesting nest of mythology someone could write a nice series of fantasy novels about, I guess.
I am a little nervous about this guys fascination with blond heroic types though. A little too close to a German political leader of 70 years ago.
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57 posted on 03/26/2011 5:45:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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WENAMUN loves a Woman
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" A camp (was set up) in one place in Amor. They desolated its people, and its land was like that which has never come into being. They were coming, while the flame was prepared before them, forward towards Egypt. Their confederation was the PELESET, THEKER (Tjekker), DENYE(n) and the WESHESH, lands united." (The Sea peoples and Egypt: Alessandra Nibbi p. 65)
One other name is also associated with the Sea Peoples of the North, the SHEKELESH.

It is universally agreed that the Peleset can be identified with the Philistines and last week we proposed that the Denyen were in fact the tribe of Dan for obvious reasons. To complete the thesis we must convincingly identify the Theker and the Weshesh, a task that has confounded ALL scholars and Egyptologists until this day.

We will start with the tale of Wenamun who was an elder in the Temple of Amun probably at the time of the Pharaoh Smendes of the XXIst Dynasty. He was sent to obtain timber and it is here we meet the only other reference to the Tjekker in the Egyptian annals.
" And I arrived at Dor, a Tjekker-town, and Beder its Prince caused to be brought to me 50 loaves..............". (Egypt of the Pharaohs: Sir Alan Gardiner p. 307)
As we can see from the map Dor was located on the Western boundary of Manasseh and the Northern Boundary of Dan.

The name of the ruler of the Tjekker. Beder is also interesting in that it is unique in Egyptian records and coincidentally unique in the Biblical account also. A Bezer was a son of Liph, one of the heads of the Tribe of Asher.

There is no evidence that Manasseh was ever connected to the sea so it is not surprising that the Asherites might have controlled the commerce of that city perhaps together with the families of Dan.

We now come full circle because although the tribe of Asher did not drive out the inhabitants of Acco (Judges 1.31) it had been allotted to them and it is perfectly possible to read the name Tjekker as people from the location of Acco.
WENAMUN loves a Woman
It is interesting to view the map of Solomon's districts to see how the original tribal divisions had been modified from the initial allocation of the land to the time in which we are dealing.

We must now tackle the problem that has baffled all scholars since the first translations of the relevant texts at Medinet Habu. The identification of the Weshesh.

Not only is there absolutely nothing in any book on the subject, I recently asked every expert in the field worldwide to come up with anything, anything at all on the puzzle. No answer from anyone. Why? Because they are all looking at the Aegean for their answers because of the conventional chronology.

If we look to the shores of Israel just after Solomon's rule, it becomes quite clear.

The suffix esh is merely the Hebrew aish. So we have man or men of "W". But there is no "W" in the Egyptian hieroglyphics of this word, it has been written Weshesh for convenience. It would better have been written Ueshesh or Uashesh.
" And the sons of Asher , Imnah and Ishvah and Ishvi" ( Genesis 46:17)
So you can take your choice Ueshesh the men of Asher or Ishvah or Ishvi.

And we can now even see how these people looked as we previewed last week.

You will not be surprised (although the professional Egyptologists were) to find that unlike the enemies of the Egyptians to the west who were not circumcised (the Egyptians cut off the foreskins of their vanquished as a "head" count) the enemies known as the Sea Peoples WERE circumcised. We now know why.
WENAMUN loves a Woman
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Further look at the side locks of hair. Do they not remind you of modern orthodox Jews and the commandment to the children of Israel to let their locks grow long.

From left to right
1) a Prince of (ht)

2) a Prince of (imr)

3) a chieftain of (tkry) the Tjekker

4) srdn of the Sea

5) chieftain of the (s)

6) (trs) of the Sea

The figure of the Pelseset (p) is missing. ( The Ancient Near East in Pictures: James B. Pritchard p. 250)
Only the Shekelesh now need to be identified. The men of Shekel or Sheker (l and r are interchangeable). It is not a great stretch of the imagination (much less imagination than was needed to fit the names into obscure Aegean communities) to see that they were from the tribe of Issachar.

Next week we will see how it defies logic the way the Philistines have been characterized by those adhering to the conventional chronology who maintain that this is the first time they appear in the area (contrary to the Biblical account). They would have you believe that this sea-faring people with all of the Mediterranean to choose from, chose a sanctuary which is the ONLY stretch of coast that does NOT have a natural port.

58 posted on 06/08/2013 4:16:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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59 posted on 06/08/2013 4:24:06 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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Note: this topic is from a helluva long while ago. And it hasn't improved with age. :') Just another update.



60 posted on 03/25/2016 12:59:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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