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The Sea Peoples
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Posted on 11/11/2006 4:12:45 PM PST by blam

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To: blam

Great find! I'll bookmark it and read more of it later.


21 posted on 11/11/2006 6:01:58 PM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: Natural Law

Agreed. Interesting, but not necessarily accurate - or inaccurate. Speculative.


22 posted on 11/11/2006 7:25:00 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: SunkenCiv

An interesting "theory". There has also been some speculation that the Sea Peoples might have been the Philistines AKA Palestinians.


23 posted on 11/12/2006 2:04:34 AM PST by indcons
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To: Natural Law

Yes. A lot of this is wildly speculative.


24 posted on 11/12/2006 8:26:24 AM PST by Renfield
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To: blam
There were warning signs before this but right about here...

It appears that, as a result of the conquering of Crete by the aggressive Achaian pirates from the Greek mainland in about 1,400 bce., the Sea Peoples realized that their way of life, religion and their very existence was threatened by the new cult of the cruel sky gods of the Near East. The tribes of the Goddess then bonded closer together and formed the league of the Sea Peoples, the religious leadership of which was centered on the islands of Malta(1) and Gozo(2). It must have been a heart-wrenching decision to organize and arm for war, because most of these traditionally non-aggressive, fun- and life-loving people had rarely been at odds with other people. They had been too busy exploring and settling the empty parts of the earth, which had earlier been inaccessible or made unlivable by the ice and unfavable climate of the last ice age. There was no war mentality among them.

I had to call it B.S. This is feminist fairy-tale stuff. The whole, "Europe was full of peace-loving feminist hippies until those evil Jews and Indo-Europeans imposed their warlike patriarchal sky dieties on them and ruined it for everyone.

And this section only confirms that it's B.S.:

In an astonishing effort of evangelical renewal, Nefertiti and Akhenaten decided to go back to the ancient monotheistic Goddess religion of their early ancestors.

The Aten was not Egypts "ancient monotheistic Goddess". If anything Akhenaten's reign proved that being a hippy is no way to run a land.
25 posted on 11/12/2006 9:19:03 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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26 posted on 11/12/2006 1:02:44 PM PST by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: indcons

Yeah, speculation is all though. :') The "Palestinians" are merely ethnically undifferentiated Arabs living in Israel, and the name "Palestine" is the modern version of the name hung on Judea after one of the Roman Wars / Jewish Wars, by the emperor, in an effort to create facts on the ground. :')

It was Hadrian I think; when he wasn't retreating from territories conquered by his predecessor Trajan, and building a lifeless city at the site of the drowning of his catamite, he persecuted the Jews because he was offended by the practice of circumcision.


27 posted on 11/12/2006 2:30:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BenLurkin; 75thOVI; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; Berosus; CGVet58; chilepepper; ...
:') What you said. ;') As for what the topic message said:
The people we call Cretans or Minoans were known to the 18th Dynasty Egyptians as Keftiu... from the beautiful island of Kaphtor.
Caphtor was the name of Cyprus, not Crete, although that's a common error; as V pointed out, "then the Old Testament completely omits reference to this large island close to the Syrian coast."
28 posted on 11/12/2006 2:37:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Question_Assumptions

Well put!


29 posted on 11/12/2006 2:39:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam; Berosus
"This account would have the Gaels, then inhabiting the area known as Scythia, who left the northern shores of the Black Sea around 1760 BC and headed south into the Aegean and Mediterranean. They joined with others to form part of the Hyksos invasion of Egypt. They returned to Scythia for a while, then migrated again and for a few centuries became part of the Sea Peoples, who were so destructive at the close of the Bronze Age, devastating the Palace States of the Aegean around 1200 BC. Eventually they settled near what was later the site of Carthage, remaining there for almost three centuries, before invading and occupying northwest Spain. The last move from Spain to Ireland took place about 960 BC."
Beg to differ. The Hyksos were Semites. The Celts made their debut in Thrace and Anatolia late in Classical Greek times, later giving us the New Testament Galatians. The Phrygians had taken the same route (west to east across the straits) centuries earlier, and existed as an independent kingdom for three or perhaps four generations; according to Homer, the destruction of Phrygia took place around the time of the Trojan War, but it is known to have taken place in the 8th century; realizing that the Trojan War occurred not long before the beginning of Classical Greek times, the destroyers of the Mycenaean era are the Scythians.

Charles, looks like you're headed for publication?
30 posted on 11/12/2006 2:52:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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What a coincidence, I have never heard of the Sea Peoples before and tonight on History International they have a special on the effects of the Sea Peoples on Egypt, Canaan, Hatti, Mycenae and Minoa. They show that on the island of Crete the people withdrew to the highlands in cliff like areas almost like the Anasazi of North America. The show is is called "Secrets of the Aegean Apocalypse" if you haven't seen it already.
31 posted on 11/12/2006 3:04:51 PM PST by Sawdring
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"It was Hadrian I think...

It was. I just read that in Biblical Archaeology Magazine.

32 posted on 11/12/2006 3:17:55 PM PST by blam
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What a coincidence, I have never heard of the Sea Peoples before
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The Philistines were a sea people. They had the upper hand on the Israelites for century or two before Saul & David because they posessed & worked Iron and the Israelites didn't.


33 posted on 11/12/2006 4:21:12 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: blam

Very fascinating.

Thanks.


34 posted on 11/12/2006 4:55:40 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: blam

Long read but very fascinating.

Thanks.


35 posted on 11/12/2006 4:56:23 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: blam

I've long wondered what the DNA tribal peoples studies are revealing along such lines.

Anyone know?

Have a site?


36 posted on 11/12/2006 4:56:59 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
"I've long wondered what the DNA tribal peoples studies are revealing along such lines. "

Sorry, don't know.

37 posted on 11/12/2006 5:17:56 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Thanks.


38 posted on 11/12/2006 5:19:37 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: blam
1341 bce., ambassadors of the Sea Peoples, possibly from the British Isles and Ireland, brought special gifts for Pharaoh Akhenaten and his Queen Nefertiti, indicating a good relationship between their countries. The pharaoh and his queen had tried to break the hold of the polytheistic, male-dominated religion of Egypt and had returned to the old ways of the Great Goddess.

What in the name of Amun-Ra are they talking about?

That is just so much bunk.

Blam I enjoy speculative history as much as the next person but if this is being taught in the Universities as fact then the professor should be fired.

In no way was Akhenaten promoting any sort of great goddess worship.

39 posted on 11/12/2006 5:24:29 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Those who call their fellow citizens Sheeple are just ticked they were not chosen as Shepherds)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Most of this is pure bunk!

Lots of hyperventilating hyperbole presented by the pest control expert Legner.

Truly a waste of bandwith.


40 posted on 11/12/2006 5:39:37 PM PST by eleni121 (sometimes you have to cut off the limb to save the body)
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