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CD-R Drive recommendations (vanity)
None | today | holymoly

Posted on 04/17/2006 9:22:06 AM PDT by holymoly

For several years, I had been using a tape drive & NovaStor software to backup files. The tape drive has died.

I'm looking for alternative methods to backup data; primarily a CD-R drive. (Never used/owned one.)

System specs:

Soyo SY-6VBA MB
1ghz Pentium 3
512mb RAM
Win98
20gb IDE HD (I forget the manufacturer)

I live in a rural area. Store choices within driving range are limited to OfficeMax, Best Buy and Circuit City (which I dislike).

The CD-R/burner software should produce CDs which can be read by any PC, even if the system is running MS-DOS.

Currently, I'm looking this Sony CD-R Drive at OfficeMax.


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Thanks for any help, suggestions, & recommendations.

And now I have to get to work. I'll check back this afternoon.

Oh, I'm also considering a second/slave HD. However, I know nothing about "Ultra ATA". Are these things "backwards compatible"? Western Digital 80GB Internal Hard Drive

1 posted on 04/17/2006 9:22:09 AM PDT by holymoly
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To: holymoly
I had been using a tape drive & NovaStor software to backup files.

1ghz Pentium 3
512mb RAM
Win98
20gb IDE HD (I forget the manufacturer)

I'm not sure, but you may be able to find a hand-crank CD-R somewhere to keep with the motif. :-)

2 posted on 04/17/2006 9:25:24 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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Are these things "backwards compatible"?

Yep. All you need to worry about is whether the ribbon cable will fit into the slot. There's at least a 99% probability it will work.

3 posted on 04/17/2006 9:28:05 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: holymoly
Jesus! You have been using a tape drive?!?! scary!

Skip the CD-R. Why not just get a DVD-RW? 4.7GB of backup there.

4 posted on 04/17/2006 9:28:54 AM PDT by NeonKnight (We don't believe you, you need more people.)
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To: holymoly
20gb IDE HD (I forget the manufacturer)

There's four possibilities who manufactured that drive. Maxtor, Seagate, IBM or Western Digital.

5 posted on 04/17/2006 9:29:23 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: holymoly

I have both an external DVD-RW and an external 80GB drive.


6 posted on 04/17/2006 9:30:03 AM PDT by NeonKnight (We don't believe you, you need more people.)
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To: holymoly
Visit my website for a good take on backup systems and strategeries. There are some good, inexpensive products out there that'll do a world-class job. "Bare metal" restoration at the drop of a hat should be your goal, but there's more to it than that.

Highly recommended:

1. Acronis True Image 9.1
2. Maxtor One Touch III external HD (forget the software that comes with it - it sucks.
3. Plextor CD/DVD burner

While I re-sell these products, they can be had cheaply from NewEgg.com. Check it out.

7 posted on 04/17/2006 9:30:29 AM PDT by Noumenon (Yesterday's Communist sympathizers are today's terrorist sympathizers)
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To: holymoly

Skip the CD thing and get an external hard drive. Backups aren't much good unless you do them, and you will quickly tire of backing up to CD.


8 posted on 04/17/2006 9:31:26 AM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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Get a DVD Burner. I just bought a nice 16x one for around $ 60 at Officemax (Lite On 1635s) last week and installed it in about 10 minutes. Blank DVDs are cheap now, and a DVD burner can burn both DVD-Rs, DVD+Rs, DVDRW, and CD-Rs.


9 posted on 04/17/2006 9:31:46 AM PDT by HitmanLV (Some people like to dash it out, but they just can't take it!)
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To: holymoly

Pretty sure your PC specs will be ok for the DVD burner - check the side panel of the box to be sure!


10 posted on 04/17/2006 9:32:19 AM PDT by HitmanLV (Some people like to dash it out, but they just can't take it!)
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To: holymoly

CD-R drives are dirt cheap under $20), especially from mail order sources like geeks.com. If your data volume is small, CD-R will give you the most portability but if your backup files exceed 700mb, then DVR has come down enough in price to be a consideration. How does that $15 - $20 range compare with what Office Max is quoting you?


11 posted on 04/17/2006 9:34:07 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Too soon to remember??? How about TOO SOON TO FORGET!" from Mr. Silverback)
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To: Noumenon

Windows XP comes with an excellent backup program that will restore from bare bones. It doesn't install by default on XP Home Edition, but it's on the disk and free.

I've had to do a system recovery restore in an emergency situation and it worked like a charm.

The 900 dollar server backup program from Veritas was a total loss. Completely unusuable when actually needed to restore a server.


12 posted on 04/17/2006 9:36:25 AM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: holymoly
Well, now that I got the jokes out of my system, here's some actual analysis:

CD-Rs and DVD-Rs are basically the same price these days. DVD-Rs can burn at least 4.7 GB/disc (assuming you don't get a dual-layer burner) and still have CD burning ability if you need it. There are two highly-recommended ones by the excellent AnandTech.com website:

NEC 16X ND-3550A--$36 shipped
Pioneer 16X DVR-110D--$43 shipped

13 posted on 04/17/2006 9:38:25 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: holymoly
Go with the slave drive scenario and install Norton Ghost or some other cloning software. There are some freeware ones but Ghost is the Best.
Norton Ghost allows you to take snapshots (images) and clones (duplicates).
Use this second hard drive (A NEW one) to store snaps and clones of your hard drive. This way, to recover your entire C:\drive in case of disaster, you need only replace the dead drive and then send a duplicate or your latest image to the new drive and you are back up and running just as if nothing ever happened.

I used to use an external USB drive to take full and incremental backups of my C:\drive using Dantz (EMC) Retrospect. It was good but it was clunky and took too much time to run a full backup even with USB 2.0.
This new system I use takes less time and negates the need for having to reinstall Windows as a first step to Disaster Recovery. I still do a once-per-month external backup as I used to but for day to day DR purposes I takes snaps each evening.

Give it some though. Tape is dead and CDs are too small. Even DVDs are too small if you have lots of data to backup like I do.

14 posted on 04/17/2006 9:46:49 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I can't complain...but sometimes I still do.)
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To: holymoly

ANOTHER COMPUTER QUESTION:

I have started but stopped downloading:

MICROSOFT ONE CARE

--ANTISPYWARE, ANTIVIRUS, AUTODOWNLOAD ETC ETC ETC.

But it insists on Norton and Zone Alarm being uninstalled--perhaps other such.

Have uninstalled Norton SystemWorks but am hesitant to end up with just Microslop guarding things. Very hesitant.

On the other hand, I like the notion of the characters who wrote the operating system getting their act together a bit more and more automatically getting/keeping things more shipshape.

What are the experts' hereon's opinions of all such?

Please and thank you.


15 posted on 04/17/2006 9:49:28 AM PDT by Quix (TRY JESUS. If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.-- Bible Belt Bumper Sticker)
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To: js1138

Agree on most points. Veritas is an expensive waste of time.

One of the things that makes Acronis True Image worthwhile is its ability to mount an image as a drive. Has a decent scheduling engine, too. It's also handy tobe able to boot from an Acronis-built CD and pull an image across a network. This program has been a real life-saver.

The old NTbackup program that ships with XP isn't bad, but it's not as effective a bare metal restoration tool, IMHO.


16 posted on 04/17/2006 9:59:03 AM PDT by Noumenon (Yesterday's Communist sympathizers are today's terrorist sympathizers)
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To: Future Snake Eater
You got any recommendation on my system. The tape recorder just ain't what it once was.


17 posted on 04/17/2006 10:07:39 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Noumenon

NTbackup has the advantage that it works, it's free, It only requires the original Windows CD.

Other than that I would assume that other programs might have advantages. The reason Veritas failed is that the CD it made wouldn't boot on the server, and the backup tape couldn't be used any other way.

This is very odd, because the CD would boot on workstation PCs.

The company survived because it had an alternate backup of the SQL database, and because email and documents were synchronized on the workstations. But the Veritas backup was trash.

Now, all backups go to an external hard drive, one of several that are rotated off site.


18 posted on 04/17/2006 10:08:21 AM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: NeonKnight

Agreed a DVD-RW is definitely the way to go. I bought one a few weeks ago and was dreading installing it on my computer. I expected it to be a real pain to set up, but the whole thing took me 15 minutes and I burned my first DVD last night. DVD-RW rock.


19 posted on 04/17/2006 10:14:07 AM PDT by exile (Exile - Helen Thomas tried to lure me into her Gingerbread House.)
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To: Always Right
Sure! Upgrade to this:


20 posted on 04/17/2006 10:14:23 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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