Posted on 03/19/2022 9:40:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
There is little point to listening to a lecture from someone who has demonstrated one of their preferred options is to kill you.
Putin’s impassioned arguments would be more persuasive if they weren’t propaganda cover for an invasion.
Putin complaining about corruption and vested interests in western governments is the biggest hypocrite who ever lived. Russia as currently constituted is a borderline kleptocracy.
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Putin came to power by murdering Russians https://www.wanttoknow.info/documents/false_flag_russia_bombings.pdf and he’s remained in power the same way. Our #1 goal for settling the Ukraine crisis should be a regime change in Russia. If necessary to save lives let’s give Putin a personal amnesty for his many crimes, but as long as he is the leader of Russia the sanctions should remain.
Putin lover
These statements are just wrong. Freedom for the captive nations that were part of the Soviet Union was always part of NATO's purpose. Integration of all these countries into NATO (including Russia) was a goal in the 90s, and Yanukovych's rejection of a deal with the EU already approved by Ukraine's parliament that would have started the EU accession process was the reason for the revolt that removed him from power. The framework and movement for integrating Ukraine into the EU and NATO started 25 years ago.
The fact that US office holders and present and former officials milk US aid and foreign assistance programs like a fat teat has nothing specifically to do with Ukraine, as if somehow they aren't going around with their hands out everywhere else as well. From a Ukrainian point of view, making the payoffs was a wise move. But they are hardly the only reason or even the principal reason why the US has been involved in Ukraine, Georgia and most of the rest of the post-Soviet states since the 90s.
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RE: Putin lover
How so?
“History shows that Russians may be dumb as bears but they do love their country. They call World War 2 the Great Patriotic War. Millions of deaths did not bring Stalin down because he saved the country in the eyes of his countrymen.”
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Yup. Just as WW2 deaths, hard times and rationing didn’t lead to FDR being overthrown by the people. People tend to get POed and defensive when their nation is attacked, not docile.
You just don’t get it. We cannot coexist with libtards. Putin stated more eloquently than me. I’m more of a to the point kind of person.
Well said. Who would follow a mad dog killer?
Is it a lie that there are 3 million Ukrainian refugees?
Is it a lie that Russia invaded Ukraine?
Is it a lie that Ukrainian cities are being bombed?
We don’t “have to” pay for defending Ukraine. Just like you didn’t “Have to” invade Ukraine. But many of us want to. We would have rather there have been peace, but you removed that option.
“But they are hardly the only reason or even the principal reason why the US has been involved in Ukraine, Georgia and most of the rest of the post-Soviet states since the 90s.”
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It’s about putting US and NATO (same difference) military bases up against the Russian border, akin to prospects we rejected being done against the US in 1962.
Spot-on. There is NO POINT in listening to someone who says some small sliver of truth in a sea of lies designed to deceive.
Putin is no better than Shitshow Joe. Were this a perfect world, the both of them would be put inside a steel cage and a death match would ensue.
No "winner" would be allowed. they'd simply be locked inside a steel cage and left to die.
This world would be much better off.
So, any arguments to justify it are invalid.
Not really, as there were no permanent non-local military installations in the new NATO states until recently, after Russia violated both the INF and Conventional Forces Europe treaties. Let alone nuclear weapons.
Russian forces are present in Cuba and Venezuela even now, by the way.
Complete and utter horsefeces
“Putin came to power by murdering Russians”
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Not in the US interests to care or do anything about that, if it were true. Russia’s problem, same with the African strongmen who do the same to their people. We’d be at constant war all over the world if it were our fish to fry.
Plus, there’s enough bad-guyism to go around. Zelinskyy came to power only because his people staged a coup (with US help) in 2014 that overthrew a democratically elected government.
Thus a person can either be a hypocrite due to fandom of their favorite dictator or say “there’s no angelic virgin here” and say pox on all the houses involved.
I am reading a book about an American doctor in Russia, just after the fall of the Soviet Union, finding out that Russian girls were being trafficked out of Russia. True story. As she set up her organization to fight it, guess who refused to help her? The American State Department and Embassy which was being directed by George Soros, who at the time was actively working to get prostitution legalized in Russia through an American effort. Putin has been fighting that demon spawn Soros since 1993.
Putin is not the bad guy in this scenario. Cleaning out the NWO from the Ukraine is a really crappy job. Just like Trump having to clean them out of the US. They are embedded in almost every country in the world.
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