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To: SeekAndFind
We have no business being in Ukraine. But we are up to our necks in it because a corrupt government and its corrupt corporations pay Hunter Biden and other offspring of politicians well.

These statements are just wrong. Freedom for the captive nations that were part of the Soviet Union was always part of NATO's purpose. Integration of all these countries into NATO (including Russia) was a goal in the 90s, and Yanukovych's rejection of a deal with the EU already approved by Ukraine's parliament that would have started the EU accession process was the reason for the revolt that removed him from power. The framework and movement for integrating Ukraine into the EU and NATO started 25 years ago.

The fact that US office holders and present and former officials milk US aid and foreign assistance programs like a fat teat has nothing specifically to do with Ukraine, as if somehow they aren't going around with their hands out everywhere else as well. From a Ukrainian point of view, making the payoffs was a wise move. But they are hardly the only reason or even the principal reason why the US has been involved in Ukraine, Georgia and most of the rest of the post-Soviet states since the 90s.

6 posted on 03/19/2022 9:52:53 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: pierrem15

“But they are hardly the only reason or even the principal reason why the US has been involved in Ukraine, Georgia and most of the rest of the post-Soviet states since the 90s.”

It’s about putting US and NATO (same difference) military bases up against the Russian border, akin to prospects we rejected being done against the US in 1962.


13 posted on 03/19/2022 10:00:54 PM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: pierrem15
The fact that US office holders and present and former officials milk US aid and foreign assistance programs like a fat teat has nothing specifically to do with Ukraine....

Perhaps the dumbest sentence ever written in the history of the earth.


43 posted on 03/19/2022 11:28:21 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: pierrem15

In times and in discussions such as these I always hearken back to FDR’s famous quote that seems to be forgotten in times such as these. And that famous quote was...

“Nothing happens in politics without a reason” - FDR


93 posted on 03/20/2022 6:12:51 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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