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Biden’s Gun-Registration Scheme Would Cost Firearm Owners Billions — If It Passed Congress and Americans Complied
nationalreview.com ^ | Nov. 24, 2020 | ROBERT VERBRUGGEN

Posted on 11/27/2020 8:11:51 AM PST by PROCON

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To: ealgeone

If They Retain the WH,
.
Well then the First
Amendment is GONE!


41 posted on 11/27/2020 9:54:05 AM PST by Big Red Badger (TRUMP, the Other guy lives in a Basement!)
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To: PROCON

It will be a moot point. Biden will never be a legitimate “president” even IF he enters the Oval Office. I sure as hell won’t comply with any edicts coming out of Beijing.


42 posted on 11/27/2020 9:56:09 AM PST by Howie66 ("Ghislane Maxwell Didn't Kill Herself" )
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To: PROCON

I think it is time for brazen....real brazen.


43 posted on 11/27/2020 10:11:03 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also. Wall)
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To: ealgeone

Many strange dark spots in this democrat power grab far to many players in it the infighting is heavy handed I don’t think it’s going to end up like they want.
They still have some worry about the electoral votes.


45 posted on 11/27/2020 10:29:18 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: DesertRhino

Exactly my sentiments


46 posted on 11/27/2020 10:50:20 AM PST by magyars4 (To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men!)
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To: BipolarBob

The government may be out multiple billions in trying to enforce it.


47 posted on 11/27/2020 11:13:47 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Vaduz
Democrats would pay the price at the ballot box.

Oh, you still believe in free and fair elections.

That's cute.

48 posted on 11/27/2020 11:18:51 AM PST by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." - 2005, my quote. I never knew how prescient I was.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Yep. Our house, too. I only HAD one registered gun, and that was lost in a tragic boating accident along with all my ammo and precious metals! I’m STILL grieving that loss! ;) Seriously? WTF do they think they’re going to do? Tear up the floorboards in our homes? This stuff is a FANTASY of Leftists, LOL!

You're wrong. The technology is there to peer into your home.

Backscatter radar

They can run vans down the street and peer into your floorboards.

49 posted on 11/27/2020 11:24:07 AM PST by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." - 2005, my quote. I never knew how prescient I was.)
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To: Dutch Boy
The government may be out multiple billions in trying to enforce it.

Not to mention, lives.

However, I've heard some rumblings that Biden will invite foreign troops into our nation to quell the domestic populace.

50 posted on 11/27/2020 11:25:37 AM PST by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." - 2005, my quote. I never knew how prescient I was.)
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To: PROCON; All

An AR-15 is NOT an “Assault weapon”. It is neutered civilian version the Army uses which in fact is functionally inferior.

If I tried to donate a civilian AR15 to the DoD, it would be REJECTED as it is NOT a “weapon of war”.

Anyone stating otherwise is lying.


51 posted on 11/27/2020 11:25:51 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.)
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To: Dutch Boy

I’ll do my part to make it more expensive.


52 posted on 11/27/2020 11:27:02 AM PST by BipolarBob (Trump was elected, Biden was Deep State selected.)
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To: Lazamataz

Lead-lined backyard bunker, then? ;)


53 posted on 11/27/2020 12:11:43 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: PROCON
2nd A defenders are missing the key steps needed for the DemonRats to "grab" currently legal AR-15's and similar semi-auto rifles.

1. The NFA (1934) instituted strict regulations on ownership of machine guns (full auto and other firearms). And you better believe these weapons are in a federal registry, ie., BATFE knows who has what. In today's AP/ cultural Marxist jargon, they are branded as "weapons of war". Hard core believers in the 2nd A believe these firearms should be available to private citizens/ militia because they would be necessary to confront the federal standing army/ LEOs.

2. The GCA (1968) instituted ATF form 4473. These records are still being collected every time someone buys a firearm from a FFL dealer.

3. The FOPA (1986) specifically prohibited the BATFE/FBI/DoJ from converting the piles of ATF 4473s into a national firearm registry.

4. The FAWB (1994) implemented a 10 year ban on commerce of a subjective list of assault-style rifles. Weapons of war/ assault rifles are accepted by 2nd A defenders as being fully automatic, i.e., subject to the NFA (1934). This temporary ban applied to semi-auto rifles (assault-style) that were cousins of their fully auto military versions (assault rifles). The difference being = semi auto rate of fire (1 finger squeeze/ cartridge) to empty a 30 round magazine ~7-15 S while fully auto rate of fire (1 sustained finger squeeze/ empties all cartridges in a 30 round magazine) ~3 S.

5. As pointed out in this article and echoed by many Freepers on this thread, the states of CT and NY passed gun control bills in the aftermath of the 2013 Sandy Hook Elementary School Massacre in Newton, CT. The bills required legal owners of AR-15s and similar assault-style rifles to register them with their states. The compliance rates were failures. The states had no way of forcing compliance because they did not know who owned what - a necessary element of a firearm registry.

6. Biden/ Harris will pursue a course of action to re-new the FAWB (1994), except this time there will be no sunset provision, i.e., permanent ban on all commerce of assault-style firearms. It is likely the 1994 subjective list will be expanded to include all semi-auto rifles.

7. Biden/ Harris will pursue a course of action to develop a national firearm registry that will identify legal owners of assault-style rifles. They have 2 options available to them: (1) re-classify assault-style rifles as weapons of war and regulate them under the NFA (1934) or (2) Nullify that clause in the FOPA (1986) that prohibits Fedzilla from converting ATF 4473s into a national firearm registry.

8. Which all leads to confiscation. Once a national firearm registry is in place, Fedzilla has the necessary legal sledge hammer to proceed to confiscation at its discretion.

9. Most 2nd A defenders fear Fedzilla knocking on their door to confiscate their firearms. While there are many DemonRats who are wetting their pants in anticipation of this, cooler heads will likely prevail that will not put LEOs in danger of face-to-face shoot-out confiscations. A more likely scenario would be; 1st - establish a drop-dead date when all assault-style/ semi-auto rifles must be surrendered at designated depots and 2nd - weaponize the IRS to assess penalty fines for non-compliance. This can be easily applied to bank accounts, SS checks, FMC/FMA mortgages, Medicare/Medicaid distributions, etc. Few citizens will be able to withstand that kind of financial pressure.

54 posted on 11/27/2020 12:29:01 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton
I keep getting conflicting info when I ask; Do 4473's get destroyed after a set amount of time? or, Have they always been' somewhere' in an ATF database?

Also, many, many firearms that Americans possess don't have a 4473 history...many firearms.

55 posted on 11/27/2020 1:20:03 PM PST by PROCON (Molon Labe)
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To: PROCON

We would never register or pay. This is Georgia!


56 posted on 11/27/2020 1:38:49 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: PROCON
I keep getting conflicting info when I ask; Do 4473's get destroyed after a set amount of time? or, Have they always been' somewhere' in an ATF database?

Wikipedia - Form 4473

The History of ATF Form 4473

The FFL dealer must keep the Form 4473 on file for at least 20 years on his business premise, and is required to surrender the log book to the ATF upon retirement from the firearms business. These forms are given the same status as a tax return under the Privacy Act of 1974 and cannot be disclosed by the government to private parties or other government officials except in accordance with the Privacy Act. Individual dealers possessing a copy of the form are not subject to the Privacy Act's restrictions on disclosure. Dealers are required to maintain completed forms for 20 years in the case of completed sales, and for 5 years where the sale was disapproved as a result of the NICS check. 4473 paper forms were collected from FFL dealers by BATFE agents and stored in federal custody. Some reports suggest they are kept in Washington D.C. Other reports say they are kept in West Virginia. Of course with the debut of eForm 4473, they could be anywhere in the "cloud".

Also, many, many firearms that Americans possess don't have a 4473 history...many firearms.

A few additional points ...

1. Form 4473 is the crux of the entire gun control issue. It identifies the buyer/owner and provides the description of the firearm.

2. That is why the DemonRats have been pushing for universal background checks, i.e., private transfers (sale/loan/rent/gift/inheritance done between private parties and not through FFL dealers) must be coordinated through a FFL dealer so the FFL can create a Form 4473 and submit the transfer request through the FBI's NICS. Your point is well made that the vast majority of Form 4473s are out-of-date, i.e., the original owner has privately transferred the firearm to someone else not on record.

3. A national firearm registry does not have to be 100% or even 50% up-to-date with its 4473s to be effective. If the day comes for confiscation Fedzilla will quickly identify newer semi-auto rifle owners and go after them.

4. In 2003, Congress passed The Government Paperwork Elimination Act. BATFE responded by providing the digital eForm 4473. No new paper form record books to maintain by the FFL dealers or Fedzilla. Of course that would make it easier for Fedzilla to create a clandestine national firearm registry. Rumors abound that that is exactly what happened illegally during POTUS #44 BHO's watch of 2009-2016.

5. The chink in the Biden/Harris plan to utilize the NFA (1934) to reclassify semi-auto rifles as weapons of war and therefore get them on that already created registry is the same chink that CT and NY discovered in 2014 - firearm owners did not voluntarily comply to register their assault-style rifles and there was no way for the states to identify them.

57 posted on 11/27/2020 3:37:42 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: PROCON

“The federal government would get neither the guns nor the money nor the personal information of every assault-weapon owner. It would only get to choose between ignoring widespread resistance and going out hunting for civilians who’d kept unregistered guns, hoping not to end up with another Waco or Ruby Ridge.”

There wouldn’t be another Waco or Ruby Ridge. I would hope that hundreds if not thousand of patriots from all over would stand between the FBI/ATF/KGB and prevent such a massacre of other patriots. Similar to the stand over grazing rights out west.


58 posted on 11/27/2020 5:39:29 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (If the meanings in the Constitution can change, why did they bother writing it down?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The Bundy Ranch,
A teachable moment.


59 posted on 11/28/2020 7:09:04 AM PST by Big Red Badger (TRUMP, the Other guy lives in a Basement!)
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To: Lazamataz

Oh, you still believe in free and fair elections.

No but rigging does get overturned sometimes this may be one the electoral can drop rigged areas.


60 posted on 11/28/2020 7:40:42 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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