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Covid-19 in Five States, Revisited: At this point, it seems that COVID is more a political than a medical or scientific phenomenon.
Powerline Blog ^ | 09/28/2020 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 09/28/2020 9:16:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

I haven’t written much about the Wuhan virus lately, because once it became clear that COVID posed a modest threat at most, and my own life returned to normal, I lost interest. At this point, it seems that COVID is more a political than a medical or scientific phenomenon.

Several months ago, I wrote a series of posts about COVID in the five Upper Midwestern states. The comparisons seemed useful because the states are similar in many respects, but their responses to the Wuhan epidemic were very different. Now that more water has gone over the dam, it is a good time to revisit those comparisons.

These are the currently reported rates of “COVID deaths” for the Upper Midwestern states–again, bearing in mind that a “COVID death” is, in most if not all jurisdictions, the death of someone who probably had COVID, regardless of what actually killed him or her.

Minnesota: 0.00036
Wisconsin: 0.00022
Iowa: 0.00040
North Dakota: 0.00025
South Dakota: 0.00023

A few observations come immediately to mind. The first is that a disease with a fatality rate that begins with 0.000 is quite minor. It is remarkable that we have twisted our entire society and economy out of shape, devastating the lives of tens if not hundreds of millions, over this flu bug.

Second, we are seeing a convergence of “fatality” rates among states. When I was following these numbers several months ago, Minnesota’s death rate was around 2 1/2 times that of South Dakota and North Dakota. Now, the Dakotas are catching up, although Minnesota’s fatality rate is still substantially higher. This isn’t hard to explain: any communicable disease spreads more rapidly in densely populated areas. It will spread in the countryside, too, but more slowly. That is what we have been seeing around the country in the past few months, as rural areas are catching up to more urbanized areas.

Third, the data reveal the utter futility of “shutdown” measures such as those that have been enforced in Minnesota and other states. In this sample, the correlation between severity of shutdown and fatality rate is actually negative. South Dakota never adopted a shutdown and has a much lower rate of purported COVID deaths than Minnesota, which had (and still has) one of the harshest shutdown regimes in the country. North Dakota, which had a shutdown but a relatively casual one, also does much better than Minnesota.

Of these comparisons, the most interesting is that between Wisconsin and Minnesota. Both had shutdowns for a while, but Wisconsin’s was invalidated by that state’s Supreme Court. This event was greeted with schadenfreude by Minnesota’s liberals, as in this tweet by the head of the DFL party, with a cartoon by the Minneapolis Star Tribune’s left-wing editorial cartoonist:

Not sure what's happening with our neighbors to the East, but I am quite certain we will see a huge increase in COVID related deaths thanks to their terrible courts. BTW – @thestevesack is the best political cartoonist in America hands down. @DemStateParties @TheDemocrats pic.twitter.com/rP3Hu2GJLO

— Ken Martin (@kenmartin73) May 15, 2020


To say that the Wisconsin disaster failed to materialize is an understatement, as the above numbers show. By any measure, Wisconsin has far outperformed Minnesota despite having no shutdown order in place, and despite being open for business. (Some would say, sort of like how the Green Bay Packers outperform the Minnesota Vikings.) The only reasonable conclusion is that COVID shutdowns have been, at best, useless.

Of course, that leaves Iowa. I have no idea why Iowa’s recorded COVID fatalities outstrip those in Minnesota and Wisconsin, both of which are more urban. Or why they are so much worse than the Dakotas’. Maybe it has to do with states’ different standards for recording COVID deaths, or maybe it is just a fluke. Or maybe it is one more thing, among many, that we don’t understand about the coronavirus. One thing we do know, however, is that draconian limits on citizens’ freedom has produced great harm, but no tangible benefits.

If you are still interested in the Wuhan epidemic, this site has some revealing charts.



TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: covid19; deathrate; deepstate; economy; infections; mortality; political; shutdown
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1 posted on 09/28/2020 9:16:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Iowa has a lot of meat packing facilities, right? Those have been hot spots of COVID. Maybe that’s why they had proportionately more cases.


2 posted on 09/28/2020 9:20:24 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind
It has always been political, we are just now seeing it in full color.
3 posted on 09/28/2020 9:21:16 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: SeekAndFind




In these states (NY, NJ, CA ), the general population was not threatened by this disease during its peak, and was even less threatened by it in the months since. The lockdowns and mask mandates made no difference at all.

Meanwhile, the lockdowns elsewhere across the U.S. had some effect, none of which was positive. The national graph above suggests that these government mandates did succeed in slowing the disease’s spread, but the consequence was not fewer deaths, but a second wave of deaths and likely more deaths overall because herd immunity was prevented.

The lockdowns also caused that second wave in the summer, probably because too many Americans were forced to stay indoors, when they would have normally been outside. One of the reasons these respiratory diseases peak in the winter and die in the summer is that they prosper when people are indoors, avoiding the sun (and the ultraviolet light that kills such viruses) while breathing confined indoor air where such pathogens can prosper.

The lockdowns locked people indoors, and thus helped to keep the virus alive, as the national graph above shows.

Moreover, the slow decline of the epidemic nationwide is probably because much of the nation is only now reaching herd immunity, though the continuing lockdowns are probably preventing this from occurring as fast as it should. As we move into the winter months we might even see another peak, only because the lockdowns prevented herd immunity from occurring in too many places.

Thus, because of this wrong-headed and panicky government policy, the elderly sick across much of the nation will remain unnecessarily threatened by this flu-like disease. Fewer will die as they did in 2020, but more will die than should have.

In New York and New Jersey, however, I am confident we will see no significant rise in COVID-19 deaths this coming winter. When it comes to coronavirus, of all places in the U.S. those states are probably the safest places to be.

California's daily deaths from COVID-19

Finally we have California to the right. Unlike New York and New Jersey, the daily death rate throughout this entire epidemic has never risen very high, mostly because the deaths in New York and New Jersey were unnecessarily inflated because those state governments forced infected individuals into nursing homes, thus spreading the virus among the most vulnerable, killing thousands unnecessarily. Though California’s government has not done well, it at least did not make this blatant and incredibly incompetent error.

The graph however does illustrate the pointlessness of Governor Gavin Newsom’s draconian lockdown mandates. As soon as he imposted both mask and lockdowns rules, the number of COVID-19 cases began to rise. Either his policies encouraged the disease’s spread, or were completely irrelevant to it.

Masks especially appear useless, based on this graph. If anything, their requirement in June apparently contributed to the virus’s spread, probably because people routinely use them improperly and in ways that make them spreaders of disease.

What the California graph however shows more than anything is that the epidemic is truly ending, without a vaccine and completely irrelevant to the government policy imposed during this year. Cases, the sudden bugaboo of the partisan liberal press when deaths began dropping, are dropping now as well.

4 posted on 09/28/2020 9:21:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

HAWAII vs SOUTH DAKOTA ( A TALE OF TWO STATES )

Both states report a 1% death rate, but according to the CDC, approximately 94% of those deaths were not caused by Covid. The deceased simply had Covid at the time of death. That is the only similarity that the two states share.

HAWAII (POPULATION: 1.4 Million )

Hawaii has been shut down since March.
We currently have 6,451 active cases (recent testing surge).

99% will make a full recovery.

We have the worst loss of jobs and business closures in the nation.

Our schools are all online.

Sports have been cancelled.

Rates of depression, abuse and suicide are all up.

Many of our small businesses are closed (many permanently).

Because of the lockdown, unemployment is extremely high.
We haven’t held large events since March.

The government keeps people locked down.

We have 4,888 active cases of which 99% will make full recovery.

Masks wearing is mandated.

Extreme restrictions on size of gathering.

Families cited for not social distancing.

10,000 citations in just one week (some as high as $5,000).

Hundreds of arrests have been made as well.

Compare those statistics to ....


SOUTH DAKOTA (POPULATION: 858,469 )

South Dakota never shut down.

They currently have 2,890 active cases of which 99% will make a full recovery.

They have one the fastest growing economies in the nation right now.

Their kids are going to school in person daily.

Sports have maintained a full schedule.

Their businesses are open and thriving.

Unemployment is low because they never shut down their economy.

They’ve held numerous large events.

They protect the most vulnerable.

84% recovery rate (currently they have 2,890 active cases).

Mask wearing is up to the individual and NOT mandated.

No restrictions at all.

Not one Covid-related citation has ever been issued.

No Covid related arrests have been made.

Can someone explain why these two states have such different policies?

Which state’s approach do you favor and why?


5 posted on 09/28/2020 9:27:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It has always been political. With dems and gov’t bureaucrats like Dr. Doom and The Scarf Queen it’s always politics.
Dr. Doom was in attendance at Hellery’s inauguration party that never happened. They are a part of the Deep State Gov’t Bureaucracy. If this surprises you you simply haven’t been paying attention.


6 posted on 09/28/2020 9:30:23 PM PDT by ocrp1982
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To: SeekAndFind

I was happy to finally get laser surgery on my right leg done yesterday. They sent me home in an ambulance. First time I got sent home in an ambulance. They are going to take me back to the doctor today to change the bandages. Then two more times within a week it’s done.


7 posted on 09/28/2020 9:33:31 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SeekAndFind

Great comparison.....thanks for posting.


8 posted on 09/28/2020 9:39:53 PM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"At this point, it seems that COVID is more a political than a medical or scientific phenomenon."

Oh my gosh. Really? I am so shocked. This is so shocking. I am totally shocked. Totally.
9 posted on 09/28/2020 9:42:18 PM PDT by softengine
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To: SeekAndFind

Follow the $$


10 posted on 09/28/2020 9:51:47 PM PDT by carikadon (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

If they send you home and the bandages unravel at night slap some masking tape on it. My leg looks like the mummy.


11 posted on 09/28/2020 10:10:02 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SeekAndFind

More political than medical.

You think?


12 posted on 09/28/2020 10:11:02 PM PDT by lurk
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m certainly not in favor of shutdowns, but I have to take issue with the author’s use of the correlation between COVID death rates and severity of shutdown as evidence for the ineffectiveness of the shutdowns. First of all he states that this correlation is negative. That’s exactly what you’d expect if shutdowns worked. A negative correlation between shutdown severity and death rate means that the death rate declines with increased severity. A positive correlation would mean that increased severity of shitdowns is associated with increased death rates. That, at least at first glance would seem to be evidence that shutdowns are counterproductive.

But that leads to my second point — even a positive correlation really is not evidence that shutdowns are not effective. A correlation is an association between two variables. It does not imply that changes in one cause changes in another. That is, a positive correlation between shutdown severity and death rate does not mean that more severe shutdowns cause more deaths. In fact, if there is causation, it likely works the other way, I.e. higher death rates cause governments to enact more severe shutdowns. To argue for ineffectiveness of shutdowns based on this correlation is akin to arguing that bypass surgery is positively correlated with coronary disease, so bypass surgery is an ineffective treatment for coronary disease.

A much better argument is to present data showing the economic and human costs of the shutdowns and compare those costs to the death rate data. The shutdowns were certainly an overreaction and not worth their cost.


13 posted on 09/28/2020 10:18:37 PM PDT by stremba
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To: SeekAndFind

What are the total deaths in US?
2018 2,839,205
2019 2,855,000
2020 774,000 Jan- Mar only?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm
Why no further monthly data?

WI
2019 50,393 thru sept 37,794
2020 YTD 36,949 plus est 828 (138 daily x6)=
thru sept 37,798
https://www.indexmundi.com/clocks/indicator/deaths/united-states

So total deaths are the same (+4) for WI in 2020 (Jan through Sept).

I couldn’t find 2020 YTD US deaths.

For WI (thru Sept 30)there has been no increase in overall death numbers.

I would like to see this for the US?

The recovery rate is well over 90%.

A very political disease, why should we ever believe leftist/Marxists?


14 posted on 09/28/2020 10:45:45 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: Fungi

We’re need a DUH emoticon.


15 posted on 09/28/2020 11:37:16 PM PDT by Salamander (The left screams out in pain as they stab you.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I was happy to finally get laser surgery on my right leg done yesterday. They sent me home in an ambulance. First time I got sent home in an ambulance. They are going to take me back to the doctor today to change the bandages. Then two more times within a week it’s done.

And this is relevant... because?

Regards,

16 posted on 09/29/2020 2:37:03 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The two main coastal counties in MS have about 355K people and abut 7,200 claimed cases - about 2% of population in counties with most of the casinos and they claim it takes over 40% to get “herd immunity”.
For a bug that’;s supposed to be so dang contagious, something ain’t adding up.
Combination of the 2 counties claim 144 deaths or about 2% of cases reported - I’m assuming they’re folks averaging over age of 75 as there are a number of nursing homes in the counties.


17 posted on 09/29/2020 5:27:52 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: alexander_busek

I shared a personal experience about the “political/medical/scientific phenomenon”.

Don’t see how you could miss that.


18 posted on 09/29/2020 6:42:27 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I shared a personal experience about the “political/medical/scientific phenomenon”. Don’t see how you could miss that.

Was about as germane to the topic at hand as a reminiscence about Athlete's Foot.

Regards,

19 posted on 09/29/2020 9:47:52 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek
Was about as germane to the topic at hand as a reminiscence about Athlete's Foot.
Regards,
Wrong.

This is not the first time you have posted this ignorant opinion to me.
So I am wondering what I did to push your button and gain your fixation. Here is something for you: posting "Regards," on every comment regardless of context is creepy and weird.

20 posted on 09/29/2020 10:22:44 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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