Posted on 06/25/2020 12:07:21 PM PDT by C19fan
I’ve been writing this week about the ideological wars on the Progressphiles listserv for Democratic Party data and technology professionals. A reader who is on H-France, a similar listserv for academic historians of France, passes on news of a similar meltdown on that list — along with the emails that brought this to pass. It all began with this June 16 request sent to the list, which is followed by thousands:
In the piece, Prof. Daut calls on the French government to remove a statue in Paris depicting Thomas Jefferson. It takes some cheek to be a professor at the university founded by Jefferson, and to make that demand. It is also a strange way of imposing US culture war fights on other countries. Daut, who is black, writes:
(Excerpt) Read more at theamericanconservative.com ...
please pass all your paper bills to me, i will take them off your hands
They came for the Italians.
That was enough for me.
Thank God the statue in Central Park is 75 feet tall and weighs God knows how much.
I tried to find the weight online but I couldn’t :)
One good thing is if it did topple it would take out maybe half a dozen antifa and blm :)
We should loosen it for them lol
We need a statue that sprays raw sewage when touched, or better yet, napalm.
“We need a statue that sprays raw sewage when touched, or better yet, napalm.”
...hmmm. Good idea for “Shark Tank”!
Perhaps a member of the very first Supreme Court, one appointed by none other than President Washington, may have left words of wisdom for such a time as this:
"The only real security of liberty, in any country, is the jealousy and circumspection of the people themselves. Let them be watchful over their rulers. Should they find a combination against their liberties, and all other methods appear insufficient to preserve them, they have, thank God, an ultimate remedy. That power which created the government can destroy it. Should the government, on trial, be found to want amendments, those amendments can be made in a regular method, in a mode prescribed by the Constitution itself [...]. We have [this] watchfulness of the people, which I hope will never be found wanting." - Elliot, 4:130 - Justice James Iredell (NC) - Appointed by Pres. Washington to first US Supreme Court
The time also may have come for a rejection of the tired old ideas of tyranny which dominate so-called "progressive" politics of 2020.
Rather than being dispirited, we might examine what the Founders of the American Republic called, the role of "Divine Providence," whose pathway to the minds and hearts of youth can bypass even the most ardent and determined efforts of those so-called "progressives."
Now that "progressive/socialistic" politicians have captured their attention, these Republicans, who have called themselves "conservatives," have some responsibility for directing attention of youth to the ideas of the Founders, all to be found online now, not in some dark stacks on remote floors of university libraries.
For instance, last year's Sons of Liberty portrayal of Samuel Adams might allow these "Republican leaders" to introduce to Millenials his clearly-articulated understanding of liberty versus tyranny, as well as Adams clear understanding of the dangers of something he called "leveling"--today's "progressive" idea of "equalizing."
"The liberties of our Country, the freedom of our civil constitution are worth defending at all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have receiv'd them as a fair Inheritance from our worthy Ancestors: They purchas'd them for us with toil and danger and expence of treasure and blood; and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle; or be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men. Of the latter we are in most danger at present: Let us therefore be aware of it. Let us contemplate our forefathers and posterity; and resolve to maintain the rights bequeath'd to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. - Instead of sitting down satisfied with the efforts we have already made, which is the wish of our enemies, the necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that "if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom." It is a very serious consideration, which should deeply impress our minds, that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event." Samuel Adams - Essay in the Boston Gazette, October 14, 1771"When designs are form'd to raze the very foundation of a free government, those few who are to erect their grandeur and fortunes upon the general ruin, will employ every art to sooth the devoted people into a state of indolence, inattention and security, which is forever the fore-runner of slavery." - Article signed "Candidus," in Boston Gazette, December 9, 1771
"If the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them." Samuel Adams- As Candidus in the Boston Gazette, January 20, 1772
"The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave... These may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament." Samuel Adams - Rights of the Colonists, November 20, 1772
"It is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society, to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights; when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property. If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave." - The Rights of the Colonists, November 20, 1772
"Is it now high time for the people of this country to explicitly declare whether they will be free men or slaves. It is an important question which ought to be decided. It concerns more than anything in this life. The salvation of our souls is interested in this event. For wherever tyranny is established, immorality of every kind comes in like a torrent, it is in the interest of tyrants to reduce the people to ignorance and vice.” - Samuel Adams
And, as it pertains to Clinton/Sanders' "free stuff schemes":
“The utopian schemes of leveling and a community of goods, are as visionary and impractical as those which vest all property in the crown. These ideas are arbitrary, despotic, and, in our government unconstitutional.” - Samuel Adams
If they don’t want all those pictures of slave holders on money, send them to me. I’ll dispose of them. But then, I doubt if they have any, only EBT cards.
The tantrum-throwers will just spray paint and paper over it.
And since the nypd has turned in its officers’ gonads no one will stop them, even if it is a class of kindergartners.
... protected by “mr claymore”? lol
We are doomed.
interesting.
I don’t see anywhere in the back and forth anyone crediting Jefferson with ending the slave trade.....an essential first step.
Everyone here has my word that if they plan a prolonged assault on it because police aren’t responding and won’t respond, I will take a cab straight there and do as much damage as I can to them.
And grab as many Italian friends on the way as I can.
We take that statue as seriously as southerners take theirs.
I actually take the southern statues very seriously also.
It’s part of our history
As for Washington and Jefferson, they ARE America, along with other founders
I hate the left and all its appendages.
In 1800 the Federalists were terrified by the idea of Jefferson being elected President, fearing that he would implement the kinds of measures that characterized the most extreme phase of the French Revolution.
Lol, I’m guessing I’d get quite a bit of funding too, all off the record of course.
No one did more to end slavery than Jefferson. Literally no one.
Exactly. We need to go back to the 70’s & 80’s with food stamps. Booklets, can only tear out the $1’s, all change given back - written on a slip of paper that they had to keep and redeem..... helps keep that stigma for those in line to watch the one redeeming them-
Unless you get stuck in line BEHIND them, that sucked.
Or were the cashier having to check the groceries out and seeing them buy things that you could not afford
Elaborate on that?
I’m not sure what people expect in our Founders.
Jefferson was not perfect. He could be petty and played hardball politics. He burned a friendship with President Washington due to Jefferson’s double dealing.
But Jefferson also knew the problems with slavery, which was explained well by his “We have the wolf by the ears and feel the danger of either holding or letting him loose” comment. Jefferson knew that slavery could lead to an existential crisis for the United States.
The Founders had flaws - some had substantial flaws. But the overriding goal for all was the independence from England and the foundation of the United States. Some because it would enhance their own pursuit of happiness. Some for many other reasons. It was not a perfect process, but it was one that the Founders hoped would improve with time regarding slavery.
I respect the Founders - flaws and all. Especially Washington, Jefferson and Madison.
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