Posted on 04/10/2020 6:16:26 AM PDT by Feynman
We are told that we must wait many months for the studies before we can judge whether any treatment is effective, and reports of effectiveness of the hydroxychloroquine / azithromycin and other potential treatments are anecdotal and have little value. But many doctors are prescribing these and other drugs and getting results, both positive and negative.
Clearly, clinical trials have value, and we should do them. However, aren't we right in the middle of a giant clinical trial with massive amounts of data that could be mined for results?
There are many unanswered questions regarding the efficacy of many treatments including many other drugs, drug combinations, dosages and other therapies. We also need to know about how to use ventilators properly with covid-19 patients.
We know that many health care workers on the front lines are taking hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic, some in the new studies that have just launched, but many others are doing it by themselves. We could know right now if this is working.
There are close to 100 drugs, both new and existing that are being tested. Yes, of course we should do the trials and get beyond anecdotal evidence.
But if anecdotal evidence doesn’t have any value (which isn’t true), there is some path here that is between that and a clinical trial. Data is enormously powerful and can answer questions unambiguously. If this data is being collected and is available, it could provide a partial answer NOW. If it isn’t available, why not?
The kungflu is ray-ciss! See stats in chicago.
Don’t expect any empirical, Edisonian type advances from the physicians and scientists who nest at the FDA and CDC. They are not known for speed, daring or great insights. They are very cautious, contemplative, dogmatic people.
“Lightfoot declares ‘public health red alarm’ about racial disparity in COVID-19 deaths”
but true clinical trials keeps many people employed in fedgov and universities and people get grants too. Why do something for nearly free when you can get it for $15 million dollars worth bureaucracy and published papers?
Yeah. Go with the shamans.
Perhaps there is an underlying agenda? Were you aware that Gates held a 'modeling conference' last fall where an 'imaginary' corona virus caused a world-wide pandemic? Isn't it odd that there seems to be some modeling conference or simulation game when big issues strike the nation? Oh well, the globalist wouldn't 'sacrifice' hundreds of thousands or even millions of lives just to finally have their one-world new world order, would they?
Do not accept Gates's 'data dots' with his vaccine(s).
Actually during this crisis would trust more the judgment of the front line clinicians who are actually treating COVID-19 patients and are getting impressions and a gestalt of what works and what doesn’t from their clinical observations. That is how progress is made in Medicine. The scientific explanations and reflections come later. At this point you are far more likely to get insights and results from interviewing and questioning 100 front line clinicians than attending seminars at the FDA , the CDC or attending Dr. Fauci’s press conferences.
I strongly suggest you give this a read.
Exactly the way we finally proved that parachutes worked, when anecdotal data didn't suffice! </Dr.Fallacy>
A rational person might say that since some hospitals are trying HOCQ and others are refusing to allow its use, that the HOCQ deniers are the control group...
...maybe we could use Nevada, whose governor Sisolak has threaten doctors with license revocation should they dare prescribe chloroquines (While hoarding it himself!) as the control state?
In the U.S., the problem is HIPAA, protecting our privacy. A patient can release his data, but physicians cannot, without court interjection. Even race is affected, because someone who has very dark skin could have a majority of Asian genes who would claim Asian as their race, whereas an observer supplying the race would state Negro or Mediterranean.
“Data is enormously powerful and can answer questions unambiguously. If this data is being collected and is available, it could provide a partial answer NOW. If it isn’t available, why not?”
The answer should be patently-obvious in this forum.
Just for the sake of argument, even as a non-lawyer I could litigate & win a case in court that BAD DATA has been used to WORSEN this crisis.
So there you are.
“At this point you are far more likely to get insights and results from interviewing and questioning 100 front line clinicians than attending seminars at the FDA”
Agreed.
If something is working, and you have nothing else, do it some more.
I know a dozen that have received the Hydroxy/Zith/Zinc treatment and all are now out of the hospital. I know 4 that went into a crappy hospital and never came out. I’m also aware of quite a few younger folks that tell of wicked Panda Sniffles that came and left this late winter/early spring. But it’s just anecdotal . . .
Or just plug in an over-pressured ventilator trying to compensate for low oxygenation and wait til the patient codes.
In short - Yes.
I suspect you are right.
Every medical school in the country...in the West,in fact...are doing exactly that.In the medical community this is seen as akin to Pearl Harbor.
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