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Trump Scores, Breaks Generals' 50-Year War Record
The American Conservative ^ | December 28, 2018 | Gareth Porter

Posted on 12/29/2018 9:38:40 AM PST by poconopundit

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To: PGR88

Obama must have had compliant generals else he and Hillary could not have built up ISIS.


21 posted on 12/29/2018 10:41:41 AM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: SanchoP

Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution:
The Congress shall have Power To . . . raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;


22 posted on 12/29/2018 10:48:00 AM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: be-baw

We had dinner with a retired Air Force Colonel and his wife a couple of nights ago. He was saying that it was a mistake to pull our troops out of Syria, but when questioned about this could not give any coherent explanation as to why. The best he could do was to say that his friend who was a bomber pilot who has been dropping ordinance said that it was. Earlier in the conversation he had told us his friend said that he personally had dropped more bombs on Syria than the allies dropped on Germany in all of WWII. This was an obvious wild exaggeration and my comment was that this sounded like a huge waste of funds.

One of the reasons I mention this is because my brother-in-law is a current full bird colonel in the Air Force and he has equally weird ideas about this situation. Military leadership does not always see the big picture and as you say this permanent war situation in the Middle East has colored their perception along with being a huge waste of money. The question is how do we make the area more stable so that businesses and people can thrive and pull themselves out of poverty. The other issue is how to eliminate the bad guys, who can be quite easily defined as Muslim “extremists”. Certainly cozying up to the “Muslim Brotherhood” for 8 years set back the region by decades and means the $5 Trillion we spent since the first gulf war and troops injured and killed, was a complete waste.


23 posted on 12/29/2018 11:02:14 AM PST by fireman15
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To: plain talk

Remaining in Syria obligated the US to support Iran per the Obama doctrine passed by Congress. By leaving Syria Trump ends the Iran doctrine and puts the final nail in Obama’s foreign policy casket.


24 posted on 12/29/2018 11:02:23 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (The denial of the authority of God is the central plank of the Progressive movement.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Remaining in Syria obligated the US to support Iran per the Obama doctrine passed by Congress. By leaving Syria Trump ends the Iran doctrine and puts the final nail in Obama’s foreign policy casket.

Good point. My first thought is better late than never. However Trump has shown over and over that he has command of discipline and patience. Trump gave those generals lots of time.

25 posted on 12/29/2018 11:06:17 AM PST by plain talk
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To: fireman15

I just had the same experience with a retired Army Colonel. When I asked why we needed to be there, he told me otherwise Russia would have more influence. I asked if Russia hadn’t been there since the 1970s.

Blank look.


26 posted on 12/29/2018 11:06:24 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: DesertRhino
Blank look.

That is exactly what I am talking about. The retired colonel we were talking to was also a history teacher, and we had just watched the amazing WWI documentary ‘They Shall Not Grow Old’ with he and his wife. So he should have a well thought out reason for wanting to not pull out on the tip of his tongue. But no, nothing. The closest he came was that we would be killing more ISIS... Maybe? Maybe not? At this point that is not a good enough explanation. The parallels between what he was saying and the gross incompetence and waste displayed by the WWI documentary whizzed right over his head.

27 posted on 12/29/2018 11:21:17 AM PST by fireman15
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To: PGR88
"Obama created ISIS, so Trump had to shut it down."

More of Trump dismantling the Obama legacy.

28 posted on 12/29/2018 11:25:55 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Trump is fixing the world's problems just to distract us from Russia.)
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To: poconopundit

Bookmark


29 posted on 12/29/2018 11:31:04 AM PST by Chgogal
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To: poconopundit
Good quote from article: "The claim by Trump advisors that they were taken by surprise was indeed disingenuous. What happened last week was that Trump followed up on the clear policy he had laid down in April."
30 posted on 12/29/2018 11:38:17 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Trump is fixing the world's problems just to distract us from Russia.)
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To: fireman15

“The question is how do we make the area more stable so that businesses and people can thrive and pull themselves out of poverty.”

While a real nice pie-in-the-sky notion, we cannot do it, and we should leave them to their own devices. Not one American life should be sacrificed for a Muslim. They let the situation evolve—they can either defeat it or die. When the time comes, we will oblige bombing them all to hell!


31 posted on 12/29/2018 12:05:31 PM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: plain talk; Louis Foxwell

I think the Iran connection is significant.

By getting out of Syria, Trump sets the stage for more serious diplomacy with Iran.

Knowing that Trump has control over his own military gives Iran more confidence that a deal made with Trump will stick.

Economic pressure plus trust in the guy putting on the pressure may create a breakthrough.


32 posted on 12/29/2018 12:06:43 PM PST by poconopundit
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To: fireman15

One of our acquaintances is married to a retired former DOD high ranking administrator. He is the biggest leftist I have met in some time.


33 posted on 12/29/2018 12:07:35 PM PST by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: SanchoP

July 4 1821. Secretary of State John Quincy Adams’ Fourth of July Oration,
“America goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy...She might become dictatress of the world. She would no longer be the ruler of her own spirit.”


34 posted on 12/29/2018 12:10:17 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: poconopundit
I think the Iran connection is significant. By getting out of Syria, Trump sets the stage for more serious diplomacy with Iran.

Yes ... and there's NK as a backdrop and example if Iran wants to play ball.

35 posted on 12/29/2018 12:17:30 PM PST by plain talk
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To: SgtHooper
Not one Ameerican life should be sacrificed for a Muslim.

I could not agree more. If our current policies are not making our country more secure directly or indirectly then we shouldn't be there. If our current policies are not “helping” the future of the people living in Syria... we should not be there.

36 posted on 12/29/2018 12:20:35 PM PST by fireman15
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Why is The American Conservative running a column by the Vietcong/Pol Pot/Sandinista supporter Gareth Porter?


37 posted on 12/29/2018 12:47:18 PM PST by Fedora
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To: poconopundit; All
Interesting as Gareth Porter is a self described leftist. He was one of the Cambodia genocide deniers, for which he did subsequently apologize. The article is worth reading as Porter is the only person who has analyzed the situation from Trump's perspective and doesn't reflexively take the DOD-K Street position as the default mode.
38 posted on 12/29/2018 1:04:33 PM PST by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: fireman15

All the top brass want to work for the MIC when they retire.they need conflicts all over the globe.


39 posted on 12/29/2018 1:07:57 PM PST by DainBramage
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To: fireman15; DesertRhino; DainBramage

The brass need a reason to justify their continued employment.


40 posted on 12/29/2018 2:05:36 PM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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