Posted on 07/10/2018 5:32:34 PM PDT by BEJ
When is treason, treason? History shows us that coups to bring down an elected leader and his legitimate government in other countries are met with hanging... with DEATH.
But are we too civilized to hang anybody? What we do is keep the coup alive with the press and deep state, still attempting to bring down the leader. And the dishonest and clandestine means that had been used with the initial coup are still being employed.
The left cries about the fascist intolerance of the right when, in fact, the right tolerated the illegal attempt to take down a president. Nobody is locked up, nobody is in prison... and to make matters worse an honest president is under scrutiny for being disloyal while the real perpetrators of the coup enjoy perfect freedom.
Someday this will be looked upon as a farce. This just shows the power of the left to influence thought. Nobody is charged with sedition for fear of reprisals of the left, nobody is willing to dismiss the phony collusion case against Trump for fear of the power of the left. The left carries on with impunity -- convincing public opinion that Trump is a dictator, a Hitler... a tyrant that should be stopped by any means. But would a real dictator have tolerated this? Would a real dictator be as tolerant of the left and its members that had illegally tried to take him down as an elected leader and his government?
This is conspiracy so brazed that it carries on as if nothing has happened. To counter it will take a shift in public thinking... and then, perhaps, real justice will be met.
Bump
Congratulations! My thoughts as well. We have tolerated insurrection and rebellion too long. This has on;y encouraged them.
We passed that point when the media became the 4th branch of government.
Who or whom can be convicted of treason? Realistically.
In the USA treason has a constitutional meaning, waging war against the United States or giving aid and comfort to those who do. This ain’t that. And Trump could end it anytime he wants by telling Mueller and Rosenstein “You’re fired!”.
In the US, ‘Treason’ is specifically defined in the Constitution:
“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.”
The writers of the Constitution evidently wanted to avoid criminalizing political differences.
The US could have convicted the leaders of the Confederacy of treason, but chose not to do so for political reasons.
Nowadays, since we have not declared war against any country since 1945, it is pretty much impossible to convict anyone of treason. Merely declaring you house an independent republic and holing up with a couple of guns is not considered impressive enough to deserve being called ‘levying war’.
rules:
leftists cannot commit treason
leftists cannot be racist
other than that no no one will probably be convicted of treason, but they could be hung for it..
“WHEN IS TREASON... TREASON?”
We’ll never know with Sessions.
Charge everyone involved with the highest crime that exists for their circumstances. Send them to jail. Render them penniless. Shut down all the criminal elements instead of making excuses. That will wake up many and change public opinion.
This is one topic where one must tread very lightly. Because today the Republicans are in power. And I suppose that if they really wanted to, the Republicans could convict a few Democrats of treason. Then maybe hang one or two.
But someday the Democrats will be back in power. Then you can bet that some Republicans would swing. That’s not the kind of country I’d want to live in.
So I’d say save the label “traitor” for those who overtly do treasonous things. Folks who sell secrets, etc. Those Deep Staters who work to take down Trump, they’re better handled by just firing them.
We have been discussing this issue for weeks, literally. It is, frankly, a disgrace and I, for one, am totally 100% fed up. Please read “Killing the Deep State—The Fight to Save President Trump” by Jerome R. Corsi, PhD. Weeks before it became journalistic news, he had already reported the “news” in his book. My God, what will it take to move us from this pathetic “Oh, they don’t really mean it!” to “Gads, they do. Let’s get the indictments moving and get rid of those people who persist in the lies and distortions...Mueller, Comey, The Blond Lying Seditionist who speaks as if she will be the next President. Get them all and throw them in prison. They do not speak for me and they are committing treason as far as I can tell.
It is shameful what is happening. Trump is a fine man with a fine mind and a heart that loves the USA....let’s support him and get these people out of government and into jail. There are plenty of people out here who would love to actually help him in any way they can...lots of PhDs of which I am one and lots of INTJs, smart men and women without advanced degrees but who see Trump for the Honorable Man he is with a fine mind. MAGA!!
There is treasonous behavior and then there is a treasonous crime.
To be charged with a crime of treason requires ‘owing allegiance’. This can only be established legally by oath.
In the context of allegiance, an ‘oath’ is a legal event that puts the oath taker on record and confers an absolute requirement that the oath-taker does not violate the oath taken.
Examples:
* All members of the military
* All members of the DOJ. FBI, DHS and other agencies
* Officeholders who swear allegiance in an oath ceremony.
* All naturalized citizens.
Specific examples:
* James Comey could be charged with Treason as a crime.
* Maxine Watters could be criminally charged with Treason.
* George Soros could be charged with the crime of Treason.
Michael Morre could not be charged with criminal treason, but he could be charged with Sedition or Conspiracy to Overthrow the United States.
Christopher Steele of the bogus dossier fame could not be charged with criminal Treason but he could be charged and extradited from the UK for aiding and abetting a criminal conspiracy.
I think you are looking more into Conspiracy to Overthrow the Government.
When Jane Fonda wasn’t hanged for treason forty years ago the concept of treason as a crime was dead.
The left are waging war against America and the Constitution. Where the fark have you been? They are domestic enemies.
We’ve had a massive conspiracy of high treason...It’s still going on—no convictions and no controlling legal authority that’s not compromised(Sessions) or loyal to the left.
What a country...
do you have a legal reference to requiring an oath of allegiance? how many people have been convicted of treason without an oath?
what are the duties of a United States Citizen?
Got schooled 2 weeks+ ago that SCOTUS ruled in the 50's that the Naturalization Oath was ceremonial only and not enforceable.
*But I still point it out. .
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