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Arizona Governor Ducy Signs Bankruptcy and Guns Reform
Gun Watch ^ | 13 May, 2018 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 05/13/2018 6:22:42 AM PDT by marktwain


Arizona has increased the bankruptcy exemption for firearms to two thousand dollars. Previously, only one gun was allowed as part of a basket of items that were limited to a total of one thousand dollars. From  12news.com:
But people filing for bankruptcy also have a choice to make. Under current Arizona law, they can keep only one shotgun, one rifle or one pistol.

The Republican-controlled Legislature wants to change that. The Senate is one step away from passing a bill allowing bankruptcy filers to keep up to $2,000 worth of weapons - any kind of weapon. The exemption expands to $4,000 for a couple.

"You could own four AR-15s in your household and still fall within that exemption amount," McGuire said.

Supporters says citizens must retain their ability to defend themselves.

"Keeping a cat in every room's not going to do it," Rick Dalton, of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, told a House hearing in February.

Advocates also argue a constitutional right is at stake.
HB 2211 passed the House 34-25, with one representative not voting, on February 20, 2018. It passed the Senate, 16 to 12, with two senators not voting on April 5th, 2018.

Arizona Governor Ducey signed HB 2211 into law on 12 April, 2018. The resulting reform exempts from bankruptcy, two thousand dollars worth of firearms.  From azleg.gov:
10. ALL FIREARMS OF NOT MORE THAN AN AGGREGATE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS.

11. ALL DOMESTIC ANIMALS OR HOUSEHOLD PETS.
In case you are wondering if you could convert all your wealth into cattle, there are specific exemptions for cattle and horses in the Arizona law.

Every state and the United States have exemptions from bankruptcy that are listed in law. California has two lists. In general, you have to choose one list. You are not allowed to mix items from different lists.

As valuable property that is specifically mentioned in the Bill of Rights, firearms are listed under bankruptcy exemptions in a number of states. From jweller.com:
The Idaho State Exemption permits one Firearm valued at $750 or less. In Iowa, the State Exemption provides for one shotgun, and either one rifle or one musket. There is no dollar value limitation in Iowa.

In Louisiana, the State Exemption limits the Debtor to one firearm with a maximum value of $500. In Mississippi, firearms are included in its State Exemption for Household Goods, which entitles the Debtor to a cumulative total of $10,000, in a laundry list of Household Goods. Included in this list is Firearms, of which the Debtor may claim an Exemption in one Firearm. The State Exemption in Texas provides for two Firearms with no limitation on value.

The remaining States of Montana, Nevada, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Virginia, and Wisconsin, all have State Exemptions that address Firearms in different permutations. Generally, most State Exemptions for Firearms limit the number of Firearms protected by the Exemption or the aggregate value of the Firearms, or both.
The dollar amounts listed are frozen at the time the law passed. Arizona has no provision to advance the amounts with inflation. If the intent of the legislation is to be maintained, the amounts have to be updated as the value of money falls.

In 1968, 1,000 dollars, adjusted for inflation, would be 7,270 dollars in 2018.

It is not uncommon for a high quality rifle, shotgun or pistol to top $2,000.  That would have been $275 in 1968.

Lawmakers that create exemptions in bankruptcy law for firearms are showing support for the Second Amendment and the right to defense of self and others.

©2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: arizona; banglist; bankruptcy; guns
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A small, but worthwhile step in protecting the Second Amendment.
1 posted on 05/13/2018 6:22:42 AM PDT by marktwain
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OT but....

If the AZ Gov appoints a replacement for McStain, who is the likely candidate...if he can avoid pressure from McStain & Cindy?


2 posted on 05/13/2018 6:29:27 AM PDT by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" @HOROWITZ39, DAVID HOROWITZ)
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The Governor has over 25 years of his life connected to Cindy’s family in Az. I would imagine if you looked at campaign funds for the guy...a fair chunk came from her family. Maybe he’ll appoint himself into the job....most folks wouldn’t have a problem with that.

The state doesn’t have a Lt Gov position...Michele Reagan is the Secretary of State and would move up if the Gov appoints himself. Reagan is GOP, and mostly pro-business background. It’d be a major step up if this scenario were to occur.


3 posted on 05/13/2018 6:59:25 AM PDT by pepsionice
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Am I reading this correctly? If you file for bankruptcy in AZ, you have to give up your firearms?


4 posted on 05/13/2018 6:59:36 AM PDT by rarestia (Repeal the 17th Amendment and ratify Article the First to give the power back to the people!)
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Am I reading this correctly? If you file for bankruptcy in AZ, you have to give up your firearms?

If you file bankruptcy anywhere, are you required to sell off your stuff to pay back creditors?

I honestly don't know. I've never filed.

If this is the case, this might be true in many states other than Arizona.

5 posted on 05/13/2018 7:02:51 AM PDT by Drew68
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The filer is allowed to exempt certain of his stuff from creditors. What is exempt varies widely from state to state.


6 posted on 05/13/2018 7:09:58 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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$2000 don’t protect to many fire arms. Wonder who sets the value on them?


7 posted on 05/13/2018 7:58:21 AM PDT by Equine1952 (Carry, practice, pray it don't happen. You ain't carrying you lose automtically.)
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To: marktwain

In my opinion, anyone who gets to a point where they have to file for bankruptcy, is too stupid to own a gun.


8 posted on 05/13/2018 8:02:38 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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$2000 don’t protect to many fire arms.

Hell, that just covers my repro Henry and Lyman 38-55 single shot.

9 posted on 05/13/2018 8:04:20 AM PDT by Oatka (tHE)
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To: Equine1952

Valuation, if there’s a controversy, is settled by the court. Usually, it’s a matter of proving what could be gotten for them in a relatively quick sale.

Exemptions vary a lot from state to state, and many states have a “wild card” exemption that can used for anything, including being used on top of another exemption(s).


10 posted on 05/13/2018 8:06:08 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: marktwain
A small, but worthwhile step in protecting the Second Amendment.

What does bankruptcy have to do with one's CONSTITUTIONAL rights? What exactly gives a bankruptcy court the power to limit someone's Second Amendment Rights and the number of weapons they can own as long as it's under a certain dollar amount?

The fact that Arizona even HAS codified into law limitations on a bankruptcy filers Constitutional Rights is an affront to all liberty loving individuals!

11 posted on 05/13/2018 8:08:51 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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Creditors who lend money legally expect to get paid back.

Bankruptcy means they sell most assets to meet the legal requirements of dealing with creditors they are stiffing.

The law says, essentially, that the Second Amendment is so important, that we will exempt $2,000 of firearms from meeting your legal obligations to creditors.

Most states do not have such an exemption for firearms.


12 posted on 05/13/2018 8:27:55 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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Bankruptcy means they sell most assets to meet the legal requirements of dealing with creditors they are stiffing.

Let's level set this discussion so you and I are clear on what the starting point is.

I am all for those who file for bankruptcy pay the maximum amount of money they can back to those creditors who are getting stiffed by the bankruptcy filing. I've personally never filed bankruptcy, I've never had to, and I pray to Almighty God I never have to.

Having said that, exactly what Constitutional authority is given the bankruptcy court to abridge someone's Constitutional Rights to force them to sell the means of defending themselves?

The answer is NONE. A Bankruptcy court has no more Constitutional Authority to seize and force the sale of someone's weapons than they do to impose a gag order limiting someone's freedom of speech.

The term "allows" someone to keep a certain amount of weapons under a specific dollar value I find patently offensive and an affront to our Second Amendment Constitutionally Guaranteed Rights.

I hope this gets challenged all the way up to the US Supreme Court. No way this can be allowed to stand.

13 posted on 05/13/2018 8:40:23 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: marktwain

How in the devil did ANY firearms get figured into a bankruptcy filing? What does one have to do with the other?


14 posted on 05/13/2018 10:31:58 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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Good thing (and blessed) we’ve never had to file for bankruptcy as I could see my husband selling me first!!!


15 posted on 05/13/2018 10:35:16 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: marktwain

I am guessing, but the law might be saying that your person filing bankruptcy can only retain up to $2000 of value in guns. After the bankruptcy is settled, the person can then replenish by buying more guns.


16 posted on 05/13/2018 10:37:04 AM PDT by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: usconservative

The Constitution does not guarantee someone the *means* to buy and own firearms.


17 posted on 05/13/2018 10:49:54 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain
The Constitution does not give the Government the power to limit our rights in the way that it's being done.

Why do you want to limit the abilities of someone who's been bankrupted to defend themselves?

18 posted on 05/13/2018 11:02:54 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Thank You Rush
How in the devil did ANY firearms get figured into a bankruptcy filing? What does one have to do with the other?

Exactly. How does one's Constitutionally Guaranteed Rights get factored into a bankruptcy proceeding?

This is the camel's nose under the tent and some here don't seem to see it that way.

First they limit the rights of gunholders via bankruptcy proceedings, then they limit the rights of those who speak out against government tyranny by limiting their Constitutionally guaranteed and protected rights via other court "proceedings."

Slippery slope.

19 posted on 05/13/2018 11:05:09 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: marktwain
The Constitution does not guarantee someone the *means* to buy and own firearms.

The Constitution does not guarantee the courts the means to strip someone of their firearms via a bankruptcy proceeding either.

You're making an invalid argument. What you're actually arguing in favor of is stripping someone's guns away from them because they don't have the financial means to pay off a debt, whether or not those guns were acquired as part of incurring that debt.

You and I will never agree on that point. Our Constitutional Rights are either universal and unconditionally guaranteed or we're no better than any turd-world shithole country half-way around the world.

20 posted on 05/13/2018 11:07:40 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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