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Agnotology
various ^ | 10/17/2018 | unknown

Posted on 10/18/2017 2:37:01 AM PDT by Fhios

In my current job, I'm constantly trying to figure out when the next thing I don't know that I don't know is going to bite me in the butt and cause me to have to rework my code. I've been working on a certain project for nearly a year, and still find out things that people have neglected to tell me, or are just considered tribal knowledge and everyone assumes you just "know", or is buried in the code (that I have to replicate in another language). It's not malicious, it's just how it is here, but it's incredibly frustrating.

So far the closest word I've found that sort of describes this situation is agnotology (the study of culturally induced ignorance, coined in 1995), but that's not exactly it.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: dissonance; propaganda
I'm trying to find the specific term, word or description of being so ignorant you don't know what you don't know. Particular to high level leadership positions

Agnotology doesn't ring a bell. It was more along the lines of Cognitive Dissonance -- which doesn't fit what I want to describe. Agnosia, the medical concept isn't' it either.

1 posted on 10/18/2017 2:37:01 AM PDT by Fhios
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To: Fhios

Alzheimer’s


2 posted on 10/18/2017 2:56:28 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (..There is no difference between liberals/rinos/moslems/illegals/lamestream ..)
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To: Fhios

“There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know.”

Donald Rumsfeld


3 posted on 10/18/2017 3:09:03 AM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: JohnnyP; Fhios

The “unknown knowns” things that we don’t know we know!


4 posted on 10/18/2017 3:24:29 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Fhios

Probably not what you want, but a useful term (this from Wikipedia):

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude.


5 posted on 10/18/2017 3:26:44 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Benedict McCain is the worst traitor ever to wear the uniform of the US military.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

That describes a lot of people I know, people who have never outgrown their early teen years.


6 posted on 10/18/2017 3:59:18 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Fhios

Why are you expending energy to categorize levels of ignorance or assign blame for it? All of the ignorance is yours and yours alone. The best you can hope for is that the same deficit won’t bite you twice...in the same place.


7 posted on 10/18/2017 4:02:07 AM PDT by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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To: Fhios
"description of being so ignorant you don't know what you don't know."

Liberalism.

8 posted on 10/18/2017 4:07:38 AM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything)
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To: davius

Robert Ringer once explained The Gumption Trap.

Don’t let the code get the best of you. Become its master!

(And a healthy dose of “it’s not my Chevy, hand me he hammer” helps too.)


9 posted on 10/18/2017 4:08:13 AM PDT by glock rocks (... so much win!)
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To: Fhios

Let me know when you find it...

We may need to make up a new word- I experience the EXACT SAME THING on a daily basis.

I’ve learned to live with it and my usual answer is that “I can’t program what I don’t know” and push it back on them.

I will never EVER take the blame for failing to produce software that didn’t do what they imagined- but did’t tell me.

We can’t do this by ESP.


10 posted on 10/18/2017 4:58:00 AM PDT by Mr. K (***THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCE OF REPEALING OBAMACARE THAT IS WORSE THAN OBAMACARE ITSELF***)
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To: davius
You're confused, and I can see why, nonetheless confused about the given EXAMPLE from the linked article ... which has nothing to do with me. It's an example.

I want to remember the term for educational and editorial reasons, not personal experience reasons.

Even on your understanding, I still question the validity of your answer since it gives advice where none was asked for.

11 posted on 10/18/2017 5:31:37 AM PDT by Fhios (Down with your fascism, up with our fascism.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

This is the correct line of thinking. But can it be reduced to a single two word nomenclature such as Cognitive Dissonance?


12 posted on 10/18/2017 5:34:28 AM PDT by Fhios (Down with your fascism, up with our fascism.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You set me on the path to discovery. It’s Cognitive Bias as used in: [barf alert] ... skim real fast and don’t focus on their usage.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-macaray/the-dunningkruger-effect_b_4476166.html.

I needed the phrase to explain to my son vis-a-vis gambling in general, poker to be specific.


13 posted on 10/18/2017 5:38:49 AM PDT by Fhios (Down with your fascism, up with our fascism.)
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To: Fhios

If you can quantify it, then we’ll have to drag out six sigma for software again.


14 posted on 10/19/2017 5:56:15 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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