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Trump, GOP should keep DACA but scrap birthright citizenship
Fox News Opinion ^ | September 04, 2017 | Liz Peek

Posted on 09/05/2017 12:31:25 AM PDT by Boomer

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To: ZULU
You need a constitutional amendment to end birthright citizenship since the SCOTUS fools have ruled on it.

If Congress enacts a law saying that there is no such thing as birthright citizenship, and that is the correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment, and forbids any court from jurisdiction in the matter, that, in accordance with Article 3 of the Constitution is all that is needed.

Congress has always had the power to check the Supreme Court on any matter but never uses it, because they can deny responsibility and say," Well, the Court has ruled..."

41 posted on 09/05/2017 5:42:48 AM PDT by exit82 (The opposition has already been Trumped!)
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To: Boomer

Yesterday I went to a local Walmart. In front of me in line were 3 obvious illegals. The counter was piled high with clothes and other things. The girl who looked to be in her 20’s had an attitude and kept smirking and giving hateful looks to those behind them.

The real kicker is when, after a 30 minute checkout of their stash. the guy pulls out a Hoosier Works card which the taxpayers paid for all that loot.

So when are the benefits and freebies going to end? When will these people be deported?


42 posted on 09/05/2017 5:49:44 AM PDT by dforest
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Completely fund a wall, ban sanctuary cities, strengthen the Canadian border, put a number on legal immigration and visas, severely limit entitlements and end birthright citizenship and we can discuss DACA.”


Exactly. Start playing hardball with these people. They are destroying this country, and we finally have something that they want. Well, time to use that to our greatest advantage. Ending birthright citizenship would be huge, and if we could get that and nothing else we should grab it and run. Of course, if we can get other things, we should take them, too.


43 posted on 09/05/2017 6:03:27 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: exit82
If Congress enacts a law saying that there is no such thing as birthright citizenship, and that is the correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment...

Not to be argumentative but what then would be the basis of citizenship?

If my children aren't citizens just because they were born here what is the standard?

Your statute will have to spell that out.

44 posted on 09/05/2017 6:05:46 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo

It seems obvious that the only “birthright citizenship” is to children born to parents who both are citizens at the time of birth.


45 posted on 09/05/2017 6:10:29 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen
It seems obvious that the only “birthright citizenship” is to children born to parents who both are citizens at the time of birth.

So if I marry an immigrant who's going through the naturalization process our child wouldn't be a citizen?

What about two immigrants who have green cards and are becoming citizens and who have a child. At what point could that child become a citizen?

It seems like this would create a very large class of people who are born here to legal residents but not citizens.

46 posted on 09/05/2017 6:22:57 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: dforest

A similar experience a few days ago. In the express aisle was a customer who doubled the maximum total with her purchases. She had two children and looked pregnant. Included in her purchases were multiple packages of meat, many cases of soda, etc. The cashier told her in English about the 12 items (or whatever) or less policy. The woman kept loading. Then the cashier said it in Spanish. The customer looked at the sign, shrugged her shoulders and responded to the cashier in Spanish. The cashier accepted the items. Out came the freebie card. Approximately $88 worth of items for free. The customer or cashier never apologized to me or others in line who followed the rules.


47 posted on 09/05/2017 6:29:28 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement ("Silence is violence.")
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To: Boomer

I’m always curious, what would we do if China decided to load 200 ships with undesireables and run them up on the American shoreline? Any gusses?


48 posted on 09/05/2017 6:29:38 AM PDT by heshtesh ((New Yorker for Cruz))
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To: Boomer
Removing birthright citizenship (anchor babies) should have been done decades ago; probably in the 1950's. It would have prevented a lot of problems happening in America today. I'd like to see it retroactive going back a decade at least.

It was never the intent of the framers of the 14th amendment to give citizenship to the children of aliens. If you will look at my tagline, that phrase comes from John Bingham's statement on the 14th amendment of which he was the primary author of the amendment.

There are other statements by members of congress at the time that indicated they had no intention of granting citizenship to the children of non resident aliens.

49 posted on 09/05/2017 6:32:10 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Regulator

Birthright citizenship is contained in the 14th amendment. I don’t think ‘a simple act of Congress” can fix that. Sounds like it has the Constitution has to be amended.


50 posted on 09/05/2017 6:51:14 AM PDT by ex91B10
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To: ex91B10
Birthright citizenship is contained in the 14th amendment. I don’t think ‘a simple act of Congress” can fix that. Sounds like it has the Constitution has to be amended.

I'm not sure either but what if it was clarified by congress to not mean what criminal aliens think it means. Clarify it to close that misunderstood loophole to mean the slaves and not just anyone stealing their way into America.

51 posted on 09/05/2017 7:37:47 AM PDT by Boomer (The term "RINO" is now being replaced with "Socialist Republicans". Oh; the irony!)
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To: exit82

Well, it is still unlikely those other fools in Congress will act. Maybe the House, the Senate - NEVER.


52 posted on 09/05/2017 8:16:52 AM PDT by ZULU (DITCH MITCH!!! DUMP RYAN!! DROP DEAD MCCAIN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)
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To: Boomer

Congress would have to amend the Amendment to clarify this or the lunatics in the liberal Federal Courts would overturn it.

What a lot of people fail to realize is the COURTS are the problem in the FIRST place.

We need to have a way to allow Congress to overturn Court decisions that illogical. But then we need a Congress willing to do that, and the only way we will get it is if we have TERM LIMITS.

The COURTS created this mess in the FIRST place when they decreed illegal aliens breaking the law by being here, were entitled to welfare, education, and all the other benefits enjoyed by legal citizens and resident aliens. THAT generated a flood of illegals.


53 posted on 09/05/2017 8:27:15 AM PDT by ZULU (DITCH MITCH!!! DUMP RYAN!! DROP DEAD MCCAIN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)
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To: Boomer
Two points:

Fist, END DACA. Period.

Second, this country has never had "birthright citizenship" and in fact, no country in the world has it.

The Trump Administration should challenge "birthright citizenship" all the way up to the USSC which is where this issue needs to go once and for all.

I'd expect the USSC to properly interpret the Constitution where it explicitly states that both parents are under the legal jurisdiction of the Government of the United States of America in order for a child born here to be a US Citizen.

Once that's done, there is no "birthright citizenship" (a complete misnomer of a term) here in the United States.

That by itself makes deportation of entire families that are here ILLEGALLY a much simpler matter of law.

Case closed.

54 posted on 09/05/2017 8:30:44 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Bullish

DACA is Caca!! DACA es Obama’s Caca!!


55 posted on 09/05/2017 8:56:56 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: 2harddrive

We should make a rhyme.

DACA is obama CaCa
Antifa is commie CaCa
Why all the leftist shit?

Oh well; I tried.


56 posted on 09/05/2017 10:21:53 AM PDT by Boomer (The term "RINO" is now being replaced with "Socialist Republicans". Oh; the irony!)
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To: semimojo

Legal residents aren’t citizens.


57 posted on 09/05/2017 11:30:45 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: semimojo

See post 54 for the explanation.

“Birthright citizenship” is a construct from the mind of ONE Supreme Court justice—William O. Douglas in a 1982 minority opinion. It blossomed from there.

“Subject to the jurisdiction thereof” in the 14th Amendment had a specific legal meaning according to the framer of the Amendment, John Bingham.

A foreigner even though here, is ultimately and legally subject to the jurisdiction of his home country. Any children he has here, are citizens of the country of its parents, not automatically US citizens.


58 posted on 09/05/2017 12:37:18 PM PDT by exit82 (The opposition has already been Trumped!)
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To: hal ogen
Legal residents aren’t citizens.

I know.

By your standard Barron Trump isn't a citizen, and damn sure not a natural born citizen, because Melania didn't attain citizenship until several months after his birth.

I'm not arguing what should be, only what is and what it would mean to change it.

59 posted on 09/05/2017 3:31:09 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: exit82
“Subject to the jurisdiction thereof” in the 14th Amendment had a specific legal meaning according to the framer of the Amendment, John Bingham.

A politician's opinion aside, 'jurisdiction'' has a legal meaning and it isn't complicated.

If you're not subject to a country's jurisdiction, you're not subject to it's laws.

Mr. Bingham should have had someone else draft his amendment if he didn't understand the terms.

60 posted on 09/05/2017 3:38:51 PM PDT by semimojo
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