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Never-Trumpers and Always-Trumpers: Let’s be logical
The Blaze ^ | May 24, 2017 | Allie Stuckey

Posted on 05/24/2017 2:16:25 PM PDT by TBP

Conservatives have split into two factions: Never-Trumpers and Always-Trumpers. Never-Trumpers detest President Donald Trump, and Always-Trumpers think he walks on water. According to Allie Stuckey in this “Millennial Moment,” both extremes are exhibiting irrationality when it comes to the president.

Some Never-Trumpers, she asserted, are worse than liberals with their sensationalized criticism of the president. She asked why they can’t give him any credit for the good things he’s doing. “You’ve just decided that you hate him so everything he does is automatically wrong,” she said to Never-Trumpers.

Always-Trumpers defend Trump even when he’s wrong. Allie wondered how they can praise executive orders that don’t do what they say they do, or how they can approve of a spending bill that funds Planned Parenthood and a less than stellar health care plan.

And she pointedly asked “Are you really okay with his tweets?”

In all things, but specifically for this president, “Criticism and praise should be circumstantial, not unconditional.”


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: alwaystrump; evertrump; nevertrump; trup
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Allie Stuckey makes a lot of sense. I'd love to see her get her own show.

It's not about Donald Trump or any other personality. It's about principles, ideas, and policies. What do we stand for?

1 posted on 05/24/2017 2:16:25 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP

I know a “conservative” never Trumper who said

“it would have been better if hillary won because republicans would have worked harder”.


2 posted on 05/24/2017 2:20:14 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust Conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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I'm a Always-Trumper

TRUMP is always better than any damn Democrat!

3 posted on 05/24/2017 2:23:37 PM PDT by KavMan
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To: TBP

Yeah, im fine with his tweets. And I laugh at these whiny bitchlets who are SO desperate to stop his tweets.
And this was nothing but a way to slap Trump supporters. I am not fooled a second by her beginning “slap” at never Trumpers. That was just a tool to get to her real intended attack.

Swing and a miss.


4 posted on 05/24/2017 2:23:39 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: TBP

I am sorry...after reading the headline and then seeing it was the Blaze...I had to laugh and shake my head. Can’t take it seriously enough to read further....


5 posted on 05/24/2017 2:23:57 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: dp0622

heh heh

Did you point out that Trump got two million more votes than Romney in 2012 while spending half the money?


6 posted on 05/24/2017 2:27:41 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Wait for 2021.


7 posted on 05/24/2017 2:30:55 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: jjotto

What’s the point?

The hatred is too deep.


8 posted on 05/24/2017 2:31:01 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust Conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: TBP

Allie Stuckey looks like she was too young to have voted in the 2012 election. I do not see a single reason why I should value her opinion more than mine, or any other that I see her on FR.

I see zero bio beyond being a videoblogger. And of course, social media, mass comm major, blonde girl is upset Trump tweets. Funny if you think about it.


9 posted on 05/24/2017 2:31:25 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: jjotto

I actually went through the Never Trump faze because as a life long NYer, I just didn’t believe him.

But I’m not married to beliefs (well some I am, the basic truths of God etc.)

I voted for him and he has not disappointed.


10 posted on 05/24/2017 2:32:43 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust Conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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She makes sense about the #NeverTrump crowd, but she's totally off her rocker about Trump's supporters. There has been plenty of criticism—the constructive kind—coming from Trump's base.

What Allie Stuckey is conveniently overlooking is the fact that we are in the midst of a civil war in this country, and under such conditions, you don't undermine the commander-in-chief. Stuns like that are only legitimate during peacetime.

President Trump needs all the support he can get—even when he makes missteps. To stand back and try to claim some kind of equivalency between irrational #NeverTrump crowd's damaging efforts—versus Trump supporters who must overcompensate due to an intensely unfair and downright evil Enemy—is disingenuous at best.

President Trump isn't getting enough support from any source, so as far as I'm concerned, Trump supporters—who have to make up for an avalanche of unfairness—can't be judged on the basis the author is trying to claim.

Everyone knows damn well that President Trump can't walk on water—but regardless, we have to hope he can come as close as possible to doing so.

under these conditions—de facto civil war— I categorically reject any attempts to cast aspersions on President Trump's supporters for being too enthusiastic, or for overlooking his faults—because we have no other choice but to do so...

11 posted on 05/24/2017 2:34:22 PM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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I guess I'm odd man out because I'm neither.

But I voted for Trump and like just about everything he's done so far. And he does have a way of making liberals and nevertrumpers insane, which can be fun to watch.

12 posted on 05/24/2017 2:35:40 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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No just another irrational petulent child who refuses to admit actively working to defeat your own side in poetics is the epitome of stupidity and emotional hysteria. #Never Trumps is the sort of behavior 3 years engage in, not rational, logical adults. Petulant childen throw a tempertantrum because they did not get only what they want. Rational adults realize you never going to get ONLY what you want in life.

The Never Trumpers have yet to present a single logical fact based argument. Instead they habitually engage in diversion, dissembling and out right dishonesty.

IF you wish to “have a logical discussion” #Never Trumpers you have to be willing to act as logical adults, not petulance hysteric children pouting because you did not get the candidate you wanted.

13 posted on 05/24/2017 2:37:07 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ("The political class is a bureaucracy designed to perpetuate itself" Rush Limbaugh)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Provided Trump doesn’t repeat the mistake of trashing conservatives in favor of RINOs, I expect Trump to have very long coattails in 2018.

The MSM has made Trump an underdog and contrarian, and both are beloved by Americans.


14 posted on 05/24/2017 2:40:34 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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Welp...I’m not an “always-Trumper”, but I guess I’m pretty close.

You see, when I get behind someone, I get behind ‘em and stay behind ‘em.

I didn’t vote for Trump because I thought he was or would be perfect. And I only imagined the fury that the establishment (government, media, et al) would unleash on him.

However, unless I’m convinced of true animus towards “us” or the U.S., I’m with him.

I WANT him to upset the apple cart. I WANT him to tear things up in D.C. I am TICKLED at his tweets. He speaks to us via Twitter and goes around the press, in an almost side-of-the-mouth, head-shaking-in-disbelief tone that he’d have if he was talking to us one on one.

When I think of what the alternatives are/were, I get even MORE entrenched.

Our situation calls for some extreme, way outside the norm measures...

or we’re going to have a situation that is lots more dangerous, violent and harder to get over than just words, tone, personality and policy disagreements.


15 posted on 05/24/2017 2:55:32 PM PDT by Chasaway (Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?)
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I’m not in either camp.

The Never-Trumpers are largely those opposed to ending the Cheap Labor Express and restoring the rule of law.

The Always-Trumpers are willing to ignore the fact that President Trump has already broken one promise of ending the illegal DACA program.


16 posted on 05/24/2017 2:57:25 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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That was one of the dumbest articles I have ever read (actually I couldn't make it through the entire article, the taste of bile in my mouth grew to strong)!

I neither 'love' nor 'hate' Trump, I'm a conservative, so I SUPPORT Trump, because he is against the progressive agenda. Anyone who does not support Trump supports the progressive agenda.

It's that simple, you can not be a 'conservative' and not support Trump, because if you do, you are supporting the progressives.
17 posted on 05/24/2017 2:59:44 PM PDT by MMaschin (The difference between strategy and tactics!)
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To: KavMan

I’m a Always-Trumper

TRUMP is always better than any damn Democrat!
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Pretty much says it all and I agree!!!


18 posted on 05/24/2017 3:00:25 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: DesertRhino

“...Always-Trumpers think he walks on water.”

I can see the headlines. Trump Can’t Swim!


19 posted on 05/24/2017 3:17:19 PM PDT by Do_Tar (To my NSA handler: Only kidding.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Not only that, but he signed on to the disastrous non-repeal of 0bamacare (the ACHA) and he is promoting a trillion-dollar “stimulus” infrastructure package.

He’s done a lot of good things, but let’s not be those people who would still support him if he shot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue. Support good policy, oppose bad policy — no matter who promotes it.


20 posted on 05/24/2017 7:59:04 PM PDT by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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