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A question for liberals: if euthanasia is “painless,” how can lethal injection be "painful"?
wordpress ^ | April 15, 2017 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 04/15/2017 3:35:12 AM PDT by grundle

I have a question for liberals: if you think that euthanasia for medical patients is “painless,” then why do you say that lethal injections for convicted murderers is “painful”?

For as long as I can remember, liberals have supported legalization of euthanasia for consenting adult medical patients. As a libertarian, I agree with liberals on this issue.

Also for as long as I can remember, liberals have been opposed to the death penalty. As a libertarian, I also agree with liberals on this issue.

However, unlike liberals, I believe that euthanasia for medical patients and lethal injections for convicted murderers, have an equal amount of pain. Either both of these things are painful, or both of these things are painless. Since I have never experienced either one, I am not going to comment on whether these things are painful or painless.

Instead, I want to address the hypocrisy that liberals have on these two issues.

So here is my question for liberals: if you think that euthanasia for medical patients is “painless,” then why do you say that lethal injections for convicted murderers is “painful”?


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KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; doublethink; euthanasia; hypocrisy; leftists; liberalfascism
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1 posted on 04/15/2017 3:35:12 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Because liberals lives are one big contradiction?


2 posted on 04/15/2017 3:39:15 AM PDT by albie
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To: grundle

Now we’re talking’. I’ve been saying for years we should outsource executions to Oregon. You never hear of a “botched” doctor assisted suicide.


3 posted on 04/15/2017 4:01:38 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Dear albie,

The answer lies in the darker embraced, but not spoken part of liberalism:

1. Criminals are, of average, still ‘working age’, and ‘if their hearts and minds can be won’, they can still ‘contribute to society’, i.e., work and surrender their taxes to support the State, and thereby be called ‘good citizens’.

2. The folks that euthanasia is usually attempted to be sold to, are those of senior age, and therefore, ‘beyond working age’, and ‘physically unable to contribute to society’ as stated in No. 1, above. Liberals see senior citizens as a drain on resources ‘more needed’ for the working folks to continue to forward the State.


4 posted on 04/15/2017 4:02:58 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: grundle

Liberals lack the ability to recognize irony or cognitive dissonance.


5 posted on 04/15/2017 4:33:19 AM PDT by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: grundle

Because LIBTARDS are against the Death Penalty and lie about the drugs used, same drugs a Veterinarian uses to put down large sick animals or a doc uses in Assisted Suicide are painless. A OD of VERSED that you get with surgery given by an Anesthesiologist we all know is painless you just drift off to painless sleep, yet if they guess the dose wrong, it will stop your heart, and you just never wake up. They use it on every colon scope, upper Endoscope, Cataract removal and many more same day surgeries. It is the Anesthesiologist drug of choice, technically it was developed as a mind wipe drug until they found it was great for surgery too.

I’ve had several beloved dogs put to sleep, the last right on the OR table wide spread cancer, instead of the kidney stone the Vet expected. I thought it cruel to wake him just to say goodbye, I’d done that before I took him for surgery he was 10 and cancer is a genetic trait for poodles.


6 posted on 04/15/2017 4:45:00 AM PDT by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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To: Terry L Smith

Not just senior ages, there are 1.33 million known CHRONIC PAIN PATIENTS with no cures for their diseases, and as DEA keeps mandating 75% REDUCTION in this Manufactures Opioid drug crisis more are committing suicide as they can’t live with the pain.

The biggest cause of OD’s is Heroin laced with stolen or fake Fentanyl.

Massive drug bust in Dayton connected to Mexican drug cartel Sinaloa
http://wdtn.com/2017/04/13/montgomery-county-sheriff-and-ohio-ag-announce-large-fentanyl-seizure/

Experts sound alarm after 40% increase of fentanyl-laced street drugs tested in Canada
http://globalnews.ca/news/3016218/experts-sound-alarm-after-43-increase-of-fentanyl-laced-street-drugs-tested-in-canada/

Deadly New Drug: U-47700 aka U4, Pink or Pinky
https://www.inspiremalibu.com/blog/drug-addiction/deadly-new-drug-u-47700-aka-u4-pink-or-pinky/

Dr. Tennant. He basically summarized almost everything we have been saying regarding the CDC guidelines. It is very refreshing to read a more balanced view...
https://www.practicalpainmanagement.com/treatments/pharmacological/opioids/living-cdc-opioid-guidelines

Opioid Overdose Statistics: As Clear as Mud
https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2016/12/17/opioid-overdose-statistics-as-clear-as-mud?rq=pain%20statistics

For all those advocating for MMJ Maine man taken off transplant list for using medical marijuana
https://bangordailynews.com/2017/03/29/news/state/maine-man-taken-off-transplant-list-for-using-medical-marijuana/?ref=latest

Illegally Manufactured Fentanyl Linked to Rise in Overdoses
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/867986


7 posted on 04/15/2017 4:54:57 AM PDT by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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To: grundle

It’s called cognitive dissonance.

You must have it to be a liberal. The rest of us who live in Realville understand that execution is appropriate punishment for murderers.


8 posted on 04/15/2017 5:01:43 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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Because felons and murderers are on their side for killing and robbing producers and Americans while the old the sick and weak use up government funds that they could be using for their drug habits.


9 posted on 04/15/2017 5:13:47 AM PDT by mainestategop (DonÂ’t Let Freedom Slip Away! After America , There is No Place to Go)
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To: grundle
...liberals have been opposed to the death penalty. As a libertarian, I also agree with liberals on this issue.

As a libertarian, are you also in favor of the death penalty for unborn children who happen to have committed the crime of being an inconvenience to their mothers?

10 posted on 04/15/2017 5:28:44 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: grundle

One is not supposed to ask logical questions of illogical minds. It is just not fair.


11 posted on 04/15/2017 5:29:09 AM PDT by okie 54
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To: grundle

Because one eliminates mostly elderly White Christians while the other terminates mostly young black males.

Liberals can hold two contradictory thoughts in their minds at the same time without any problem.


12 posted on 04/15/2017 5:56:34 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Islam mandates warfare against unbelievers and is absolutely incompatible with Western society.)
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Liberals no doubt want docs to use an anesthetic cream on the tender skin of convicted murdering rapists who are afraid of needles...


13 posted on 04/15/2017 6:15:25 AM PDT by DJ Frisat (Hey, what happened to my clever tag line?!)
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Libs are so concerned that death row inmates might feel a little pain before their dirt nap ride, but they ignore unborn babies' in utero slaughter.

That's messed up.

14 posted on 04/15/2017 6:48:16 AM PDT by Slyfox (Where's Reagan when we need him? Look in the mirror - the spirit of The Gipper lives within you.)
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To: grundle

OUCH!


15 posted on 04/15/2017 6:53:36 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("The church ... is not the master or the servant of the state, but the conscience" - Luther)
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To: grundle

“A question for liberals: if euthanasia is “painless,” how can lethal injection be “painful”? “

Or, on the other hand, why should it *not* be?


16 posted on 04/15/2017 7:02:35 AM PDT by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen)
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To: grundle

nitrogen asphyxiation

Execution conducted in 4 easy steps:
In a well ventilated room, strap the condemned down
attach a medical breathing mask and brain wave monitor
supply 100% nitrogen at 1.1 atmospheres to the mask
Wait till the brain wave monitor has been flat for 5 min

Takes about 15 min
No worries about the size of the person
No worries about pain as they just pass out
No worries about it being effective
No worries about the condemned surviving
No worries about blood splatter or contaminated fluids
No worries about running out of drugs or drugs expiring


17 posted on 04/15/2017 8:11:00 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: albie

Indeed only one side to any issue.


18 posted on 04/15/2017 9:14:23 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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To: grundle
the same way abortion is a right but owning/carrying a gun isn't...
19 posted on 04/15/2017 9:43:50 AM PDT by Chode (My job is not to represent the world. My job is to represent the United States of America-#45 DJT)
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To: DuncanWaring

I do think abortion should be legal, although I am personally opposed to it. I am very glad that my own mother did not abort me. I am against taxpayer funding of it. I think the pro-life position is a very valid one too. Also, there is no way that a healthy woman aborting a healthy baby can accurately be labeled as “health care,” and I think it’s ridiculous for liberals to call it such.


20 posted on 04/15/2017 10:51:48 AM PDT by grundle
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