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Apparently a desire for “self-defense, defending the life of another, or preventing crime in which human life is threatened” isn't a good enough reason to get a conceal/carry permit in Kalifornia.

Will passing a National Reciprocity law finally end this unconstitutional practice?

1 posted on 04/05/2017 10:04:30 AM PDT by PROCON
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2 posted on 04/05/2017 10:05:20 AM PDT by PROCON (Which part of "Shall Not Infringe" do they not understand?)
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Will passing a National Reciprocity law finally end this unconstitutional practice?

They don't follow federal drug guidelines, what makes you think they'd abide by that?

3 posted on 04/05/2017 10:08:28 AM PDT by rarestia (Repeal the 17th Amendment and ratify Article the First to give the power back to the people!)
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the Demos import dangerous DANGEROUS IslamoNazi terrorist gang fighters by the hundreds of thousands

and
then try to (illegally) deprive good American citizens of their right and ability of self-defense

if you ever wanted to know who the real enemies of America (you, us, we, me) are...... its the IslamoNazis... and SorozNazis (including the DNC he’s purchased)...and of course the remaining communists (all of the above, aside from Shariah law subjugate/kill the Christians and Jews component, are essentially the same...extreme leftwing dictators)

it will be interesting to see if the communists can eventually win out over their IslamoNazi bff’s and allies

I doubt it.


4 posted on 04/05/2017 10:12:17 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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the Demos import dangerous DANGEROUS IslamoNazi terrorist gang fighters by the hundreds of thousands

and
then try to (illegally) deprive good American citizens of their right and ability of self-defense

if you ever wanted to know who the real enemies of America (you, us, we, me) are...... its the IslamoNazis... and SorozNazis (including the DNC he’s purchased)...and of course the remaining communists (all of the above, aside from Shariah law subjugate/kill the Christians and Jews component, are essentially the same...extreme leftwing dictators)

it will be interesting to see if the communists can eventually win out over their IslamoNazi bff’s and allies

I doubt it.


5 posted on 04/05/2017 10:12:21 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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Hopefully lawyers/Constitutional scholars here will help me with this:

The Second Amendment is a right granted to *all* Americans under the Constitution.Particularly after the two recent SCOTUS rulings confirming that that Amendment applies to individual citizens *as well as* the "militia" how is it that individual states are allowed to pass,in some states at least,horrendously restrictive laws/regulations?

I don't recall certain states having restrictive laws on the First (or Fifth) Amendment.I can go to any state in the union and start a political (or religious) newsletter and distribute it in various ways.No license...no approval from a police chief...no waiting periods.

I'm truly befuddled by this.

7 posted on 04/05/2017 10:16:45 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)
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—not until some authority forces California, New York, Connecticut, etc., to abide by a hypothetical reciprocity law-—


9 posted on 04/05/2017 10:18:33 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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As long as the idiots in commiefornia continue to elect commies to public office, they are going to have a shiit govt.


10 posted on 04/05/2017 10:19:01 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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Someone please explain time how shall-issue second amendment laws are not required everywhere but shall-issue gay marriage licenses are.


11 posted on 04/05/2017 10:21:43 AM PDT by MountainWalker
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Why do state and local governments keep passing laws that are against the Constitution? If EVERY gun owner started carrying, license it not, the courts and cops would be overwhelmed and cops would stop arresting people. I said IF, NSA monitor.


12 posted on 04/05/2017 10:23:16 AM PDT by Terry Mross (Liver spots And blood thinners.,)
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If the penalty for carrying a concealed hand gun in California is a misdemeanor, I would carry if I wanted to. How could you get caught if you are not committing any other crimes?


13 posted on 04/05/2017 10:24:31 AM PDT by forgotten man
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And the sad spiral of a once great state continues to flush itself into irrelevancy.

I hope the left’s favorite weapon, the courts, can be used against it to make ‘may issue’ unconstitutional and ‘shall issue’ a basic right. There’s simply no reason to prevent law abiding non felons from carrying a self defense weapon; especially as our country becomes more violent in the cities. No reason at all.


14 posted on 04/05/2017 10:26:02 AM PDT by Boomer (The modern day leftist dems are the party of criminally insane propagandists.)
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As long as your masters have the illegal alien and dead people vote, they don’t have to care if you live or die.


15 posted on 04/05/2017 10:30:36 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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"Will passing a National Reciprocity law finally end this unconstitutional practice?"

Only if a California resident gets a permit from another state. Which is actually not uncommon. Utah is a frequent one to get.

The "may issue" law in California means that it's really up to each local jurisdiction. It's the big cities that are the problem. Many of the more rural counties practice "shall issue".

18 posted on 04/05/2017 10:42:15 AM PDT by mlo
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Will passing a National Reciprocity law finally end this unconstitutional practice?

It would anger the Cali's greatly to have to allow non-residents (with permits from their home state) to ccw in CA. This doesn't mean they have to allow ccw for their own citizens. Of course CA residents could get non-resident permits from other states and maybe bypass this.

20 posted on 04/05/2017 10:45:49 AM PDT by umgud
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Notice the reference to “the short staffed Supreme Court”? One year ago, the Supreme Court was to rule on the California Public School Teachers Union using funds for political purposes against the wishes of its members (I believe that was the issue). Before Scalia died, the Union was convinced it would lose the case which would have basically changed the tight control Dems have over CA elections. Scalia passed away just before this case came before the Court.

The 2016 election was all about the 9th Justice.


22 posted on 04/05/2017 10:52:14 AM PDT by The Westerner (Protect the most vulnerable: get the government out of medicine and education!)
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National Reciprocity may force Kommiefornia to recognize the right of those issued a carry permit in other states, but not their own citizens. In Kommifornia the only people who can get carry permits are celebrities, their bodyguards, well-connected rich people, and politicians.


30 posted on 04/05/2017 1:17:44 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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