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The People’s Wisdom on Islam: Serious Threat
Geert Wilders Weblog ^ | Jul 7, 2016 | Geert Wilders

Posted on 07/13/2016 4:42:44 PM PDT by Ray76

Islam is growing rapidly in Western Europe. According to the Pew Research Center, France has a Muslim population of 7.5%, the Netherlands of 6%, Germany of 5.8%, Austria of 5.4%, the United Kingdom of 4.8%, Sweden of 4.6%. The real figures are even higher. Indeed, Pew’s figures predate the refugee tsunami of 2015, when 1 million immigrants flocked to Europe, most of them Muslims.

Last week, The Washington Post wrote that “annual net immigration into Europe is projected to increase steadily from current levels for another 20 years.” The paper points out that by 2069, the 28 current members of the European Union, as well as Iceland, Norway and Switzerland, will see a net immigration of 77 million people. The Post writes euphemistically that Europe will become “substantially more diverse than it is today.” The truth, however, is that Europe will Islamize. If there is anything opposed to diversity, then it is Islam.

As a result, Europe will become less free and less safe. Islam is an existential threat to Western civilization. No honest individual can say with a straight face that it is a doctrine of peace or freedom.

This week, the publication of an EU-wide opinion poll, conducted by an Hungarian think tank in each of the 28 EU member states, was cause for optimism. It revealed that 70% of Europeans see Muslim migration as a serious threat. And that those who still prefer to turn a blind eye to the danger are a small minority in every single EU member state.

If so many people, in so many countries – as diverse as Finland and Greece, or Ireland and Romania – feel this way, politicians should draw their conclusions. As always, the people realize far better what is happening than the elites, living in their ivory towers.

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1 posted on 07/13/2016 4:42:44 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: Ray76
In Europe, Islam will demonstrate its incompatibility with the civilized world.

And not slowly but abruptly, it will be shoved out to the edges.

2 posted on 07/13/2016 4:53:10 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Ray76

I have never spoken directly with people like Angela Merkel or Jean-Claude Juncker, so I can only make a hypothesis from the facts in front of me.

When looking at Europe, you can see the utopian project of 2 generations of progressives, leftists and statists, for one governing body of Europe, to control all peoples, neuter all cultures and subsume all local democracy under the EU umbrella.

Like the USA, they have built this massive government and progressive utopia on mounds of unprinted, fiat currency and massive debt. They face (and indeed have caused) demographic decline, which in itself is no big deal - UNLESS the State has massive debt and liabilities which MUST be transferred to each new generation. There must be a next generation which can be milked and carry the burden of the elites.

Importing illiterate muslims in the short-term helps support them politically, but in the long run, its a long-shot gamble that these people can be turned into productive, tax-paying citizens to support the EU utopian dream. Its the only card the progressive-leftists have remaining.


3 posted on 07/13/2016 4:55:05 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Ray76

I have permission to post this. This is the most incisive statement you will ever read. This was sent to me on “mail” here. This individual was “something” in Afghanistan, far above military operative, IMO. I suggest rereading if you really want to understand these bastards.

“From BeauBo | 06/17/2016 7:52:17 PM PDT replied
There are four main schools of jurisprudence to interpret Islam (pass judgements in Sharia).
Hanafi: Used the old Ottoman Empire
Shafi: From the West coast of Afica, Yemen and Indonesia
Maliki: From North Africa
Hanbali: From the Arabian Peninsula
Of the four, Hanbali, the first promoted by Abdul Wahhab, is the newest, and was the smallest by far - until expansion was fueled by oil wealth, starting in the 1970’s.
It is characterized by an absolutely strict, literal reading of only a few specific sources - Quran and Sunnah (from which the word Sunni is derived). The Sunnah consists of two works, Sira(t) (the classic biography of Mohammad) and Hadith (the stories (or acts) of Mohammad and his companions. For Hanbalis, it is forbidden to use any logical, moral, or even factual analysis, to vary in any way from the literal reading of these texts (especially Quran, which is supposedly perfect and divinely protected from error).
Wahhabbis use a rule of supercession, on top of the Hanbali literal approach. This rule dictates that whenever there is an apparent internal conflict in the texts (of which there are many), the chronologically later statements supersede the earlier ones. Apparently, God was frequently changing his mind and reversing himself for a couple of decades, and then stopped and locked everything for all people for all time, about 1,400 years ago...
A critical effect of this rule, is that all the moderate or tolerant statements from early in Mohammad’s career (before he had political and military power) are superseded by his later, increasingly megalomaniacal statements advocating ruthless totalitarian conquest. In the end, he said that he had been commanded to continue his conquest until all men accepted islam.
Salafi literally means “one who follows the ways of the pious forefathers”, implying an originalist approach to Islam. That term is older than Wahhabism, and originally did not indicate the specific rules of interpretation that one supported.
After the fall of the Ottoman Caliphate, what is now the modern Salafi movement started in Egypt, with the founding of the Muslim Brotherhood (whose name borrowed some inspiration from the Wahhabbi Brotherhood (Ikhwan) groups that had been active the century prior in nearby Arabia. They took a more political orientation, proposing that West and its culture were undermining islam, and that muslims needed to get back to their pure islamic roots, and fight to restore pure islamic society (a caliphate).
Although they are more of a political movement, they have fundamentally adopted the religious doctrine of the Wahhabbis as their figh - their ideal of a pure islamic society.
Additionally, there were others who called themselves Salafis, but were more focused on preaching to fellow muslims, to purify/rectify their understanding and practice of islam (so called Tablighi Jamaat). Wahhabbis in contrast, emphasized strict enforcement, in addition to exhortation - policing, smashing idols or graven images, censoring, beating, amputating and executing.
In effect, salafis have now effectively adopted/acceded to Wahhabbi religious/juridical authority - so the distinction has become less meaningful than it ever was. Operationally, they have become intimately intertwined, with Wahhabbi Gulf Arabs funding and hosting and arming the others, and establishing think tanks and academic departments to develop strategy for them.
...And building mosques and madrassa in the West, and corrupting Western politicians, with an explicit strategy to impose sharia rule on the whole world.
On that happy note, have a great weekend. Always a treat to chat with a like-minded person.”


4 posted on 07/13/2016 4:56:29 PM PDT by WENDLE (We must have LAW AND ORDER!!)
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To: WENDLE
For Hanbalis, it is forbidden to use any logical, moral, or even factual analysis, to vary in any way from the literal reading of these texts (especially Quran, which is supposedly perfect and divinely protected from error)

This is the money quote.

It explains, in part why the Godless Left excuses Islam and its terrorists.

The Left also has adopted the tactics of forbidding any use of Logic/Reason, Morality or Factual analysis when debating their positions.

The only thing the Left is missing is some "Holy Text".

They are trying their best to place "Gaia" at the helm but are having difficulties gaining traction.

The thing that the Left really hates is that the Christian Bible has been thoroughly examined for over a thousand years using Logic/Reason, Morality and Factual analysis.

It's no wonder that they sympathize with Islam.

5 posted on 07/13/2016 5:19:37 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: Ray76

bkmk


6 posted on 07/13/2016 5:27:07 PM PDT by sauropod (Beware the fury of a patient man. I've lost my patience!)
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To: Ray76

Yes. They take all they can and then chop your head off.


7 posted on 07/13/2016 5:50:55 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: willing and eager allies of the hate-America left.)
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To: Zeneta

I appreciate your appreciation of this great freeper. Beau gave me permission for this. He spent a long time writing this and it should be shared. Here is more.

“The Wahhabbis/Salafis are all Sunnis. They hate the Shia. In practice, they hate them more than Christians.
The Shia have different strains of extremists. The big problem on the Shia side, is the Government of Iran - by far. Iranian people have some of the most favorable attitudes toward America of the whole Middle East, barring Israel. But the government is probably the world’s biggest state supporter of terrorism, and rabidly anti-American.
As far as I know, there is no Shia sect which compares to the Wahhabbis for their violence against all the rest of humanity on the basis of religious doctrine. The heinous government of Iran is run by an extreme Shia sect, called the twelvers (after the twelve historical Shia Imams). They are very much focused on an apocalyptic future final battle against the Sunnis, where their messiah, the Imam Mahdi, will emerge and lead them to victory. That they then supposedly go on to conquer the world is almost an afterthought, as things supposedly will progress right on to the end of the world, and paradise for the righteous, and the Imam Mahdi will take care of all the details and such. But the big chip on their shoulder is for the Sunnis.
There are many local forms of islam, which don’t teach the kind of hatred and violence that the Wahhabbis do. In the USA, schoolbooks for kids (in english) printed by Wahhabbis, state that hating non-muslims is an essential element of being a muslim - it is mandatory, one of the small handful of essential elements. They are really extreme proponents of violence, and fundamentally unfaithful to our laws and constitution.
There are many traditional forms of islam that still retain their character, despite the onslaught of Wahhabbi money and intimidation, that is changing the nature of Sunni islam all around the world.
The Ahmadiya Muslim community is famously tolerant of others in their religious views (http://www.ahmadiyya.us). Many Sufi groups are fundamentally mystical and universalist in their views of God’s creatures, although the old large Sufi orders in Turkey have been politicized to a large degree by President Erdogan, and his more Wahhabbi-leaning AKP Party.
The government of Ethiopia promotes a non-violent style of islam, which is still the mainstream there, although they are being increasingly infiltrated by Wahhabbis. Ethiopia has almost 1/3 muslims.
Most countries with significant muslim populations place strict political controls and persistent monitoring on mosques, madrassas. and imams. Part of that is because most of those countries don’t have much political freedom in any respect, but a big part is due to the inherently political nature of islam - it is fundamentally different from other religions, in many ways, it is fundamentally a political doctrine. Throughout its history, it has been used as a basis for political authority, and as incitement to war, oppression and conquest. It always poses a threat to the State.
A good bit of the leadership core of ISIS (formerly al Queda in Iraq), were products of the Iraqi Ba’ath Party’s “Faith Initiative” which started during the Iran Iraq War. The ISIS Caliph, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi got his Ph.D. from the Islamic University that the Ba’ath Party established in 1989. The Faith Initiative was a conscious attempt to harness islam as a political force, in support of the regime. They even went so far as to declare that the secular leftist (formerly communist) founder of the Ba’ath Party, Michel Aflaq (born a Christian), had converted to islam on his death bed.
The West today is inexperienced with the political character of islam, and lacks the traditional safeguards that societies with more firsthand experience have in place (monitoring, censorship). Not only that, but the West is facing an exceptionally extreme and consciously subversive strain of islam - Wahhabism, reinforced with the political sophistication of the Muslim Brotherhood.
The Muslim Brotherhood were adopted by the Nazis as primary agents of influence in the Arab world during WWII. The mufti of Jerusalem, a personal friend of the founder of the Brotherhood, moved to Berlin to do Arabic language broadcasts for the Nazis, and was the honorary commander of the two muslim Handshar SS Divisions. He was a vocal, and reportedly influential, proponent of the “final solution” for Jews, within the Nazi hierarchy.
The Brotherhood were trained by the Nazis in spycraft, propaganda and guerilla tactics; and conducted a variety of wartime missions for the Nazis in the Middle East. After the war, they remained insurrectionists active with foreign intelligence services, and were often surrogates for the Soviets - such as the Mufti of Jerusalem’s nephew, Yasser Arafat, and his Palestinian Liberation Organization.
The combination of the Brotherhood’s craftiness and subversiveness (developed under the tutelage of the 20th centuries masters of subversion), along with the ruthless absolutism of the Wahhabbi ideology, and the tidal wave of oil wealth; has produced an islamic subversive threat which even traditionally islamic countries are succumbing to. The West has been almost totally undefended.
In fact, the West has welcomed the worst of these subversive extremists, as political refugees. The very extremists that governments have to crack down on, are the ones who are seen from the outside as repressed political opposition to authoritarian regimes. The headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood is now in London. They have been systematically given refuge in the West, often out of ignorance, and now are forcing the door open for a strategic demographic invasion, through political corruption, and their ongoing alliance with the far left.
So how many are there? They are actually a tiny fraction of the total muslim population, but they are hugely influential in affecting muslim opinion. Well organized and well funded, they are full time activists, well most muslims have to work for a living, and are busy raising families.
They have been quick and effective at ruthlessly silencing other muslim opinions. Once of the common derogatory terms for them in the Middle East is “takfiris”. To declare takfir is to label someone as a heretic within islam (the penalty for which of course, is death). That is the the experience for most muslims around the world with these guys - a ruthless bunch of thugs who will shout you down is you deviate one iota, and cut your throat if you insist.
In the West, they are consciously subversive, taking a generation-long view to jihad. Increasing their population, segregating them from integration, and indoctrinating (radicalizing) them, while establishing media front groups like CAIR, and waging lawfare to disarm the society of protective mechanisms.
So a significant consideration is not just how many of them there are today, but how fast they are growing. Immigrants today mostly get to this country and go to work. The mosques actively offer religious instruction for their kids, language classes etc.. They have gotten good at convincing them to get the kids in the door, and it is well subsidized from overseas (in a growing trend, by the US taxpayer as well). Almost all of the US mosques and madrassas (85-95%) teach wahhabbi doctrine. Second generation immigrants are typically a greater danger, because of this indoctrination that they receive.
This whole infrastructure of indoctrination is what must be uprooted. Worldwide, this Wahhabbi network of mosques and madrassas sends over a thousand fresh jihadi recruits to the latest battlefield, and over a hundred per month for suicide attacks. Wahabbi inspired terrorist attacks average about four per day worldwide. It is a standing production line, for what is essentially the secret Saudi Foreign Legion.

“I think that your estimate of 40-100 million Salafi derivatives are a good estimate - the populations of the Wahhabi Gulf Arab countries, Muslim Brotherhood Supporters in Egypt, and their cadres in many countries around the world. But they could grow tenfold in a generation through control of the education system - that is what they are aiming for, and organized to do.


8 posted on 07/13/2016 5:59:08 PM PDT by WENDLE (We must have LAW AND ORDER!!)
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To: PGR88

“Importing illiterate muslims in the short-term helps support them politically, but in the long run, its a long-shot gamble that these people can be turned into productive, tax-paying citizens to support the EU utopian dream.”

Long shot? Only if you call betting on a DEAD horse to win a race a long shot. I call it suicide.


9 posted on 07/13/2016 6:17:18 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: WENDLE

It’s called abrogation, and until we understand it, it will be the ruin of its all.

This rule dictates that whenever there is an apparent internal conflict in the texts (of which there are many), the chronologically later statements supersede the earlier ones. Apparently, God was frequently changing his mind and reversing himself for a couple of decades, and then stopped and locked everything for all people for all time, about 1,400 years ago...


10 posted on 07/13/2016 6:24:09 PM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Ray76

All that matters is the size of the youngest generation. France’s population under twenty is close to one quarter Muslim.


11 posted on 07/13/2016 6:34:00 PM PDT by heartwood (If you're looking for a </sarc tag>, you just saw it.)
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To: WENDLE

I’m well aware of much of what you have posted.

I still thank you for providing additional historical facts.

The Shiite’s in Iran are “End times” fanatics to be sure.

I watched an hour long “Public Broadcast” of an Iranian TV show a few years ago. I think it was MEMRI that captured the show and did the English subtitles. It was presented to their Iranian audience as an educational, historical proclamation that is in the Koran. It makes no difference whether what they say is true. They believe it is true. They believe that they can fulfill the prophecy by proactively making certain things happen.

These people are insane.

It’s all they know and as the old dictators have fallen it has unleashed these fanatics onto the rest of the world. There was a great deal of wisdom employed by our Western leaders after WWII. They adopted a policy of containment and supported the dictators that made it happen.

Those Dictators knew their people were insane and we helped them keep a lid on them.

Those days are gone.

I would bet that there are boat loads of documents and analysis contained in the archives of the US and British intelligence agencies that made a strong case of their/our ultimate policy of containment via supporting these strong men in these Arab nations.

And today?

Today the left blames the West for keeping them under control.

The left has no clue what they are dealing with. They simply can’t compute the power associated with this death cult.


12 posted on 07/13/2016 6:47:56 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: WENDLE

Thank you for posting that remarkable analysis!


13 posted on 07/13/2016 6:56:22 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

I was stunned. I am a student of wahhabism. I have never seen anything like that.I am convinced that out government has no clue as to this enemy. We waste all this effort on Iranian Shia and it is NOT the enemy.


14 posted on 07/13/2016 7:09:14 PM PDT by WENDLE (We must have LAW AND ORDER!!)
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To: WENDLE
I was stunned. I am a student of wahhabism. I have never seen anything like that.I am convinced that out government has no clue as to this enemy. We waste all this effort on Iranian Shia and it is NOT the enemy.

Well that's one conclusion. But Jarrett sits literally at the President's desk. So wouldn't the Wahhabis want the USA blasting away at the Shias? What a coincidence - and it's a twofer, demoralizing the US military at the same time by limiting the ROEs to suicide levels.


15 posted on 07/13/2016 7:32:51 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Great observation. And so true. What we have is millions of dollars going into politicians personal associates bank accounts by the wahhabis. I assure you that the worst was G W Bush!!


16 posted on 07/13/2016 7:36:57 PM PDT by WENDLE (We must have LAW AND ORDER!!)
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To: RipSawyer
Long shot? Only if you call betting on a DEAD horse to win a race a long shot. I call it suicide.

Maybe it could be better classified as homicide. The powers that be, like Merkel, know that letting millions of Muzzies in, will get a lot of people killed. I believe that might be exactly what they want.

17 posted on 07/13/2016 7:53:54 PM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forevermore endure.)
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To: RoosterRedux

It is doing so even as liberals try to deny it.

‘Foreign Men’ Rape, Molest Girls At Anti-Racism ‘Peace & Love’ Festival
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/12/foreign-men-rape-girls-multicultural-festival/


18 posted on 07/13/2016 11:29:29 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Mark17

“I believe that might be exactly what they want.”

If it waddles around the pond quacking, jumps in and swims, dives etc, yeah, it’s a duck.


19 posted on 07/14/2016 3:11:24 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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