Posted on 11/03/2015 11:02:04 AM PST by w1n1
When it comes to deer hunting bullets, expansion is usually the name of the game. Some of the most widely-used hunting bullets were designed 50 and 60 years ago, when deer hunting was much less prevalent than it is now (simply because we didn't have very many deer).
These days, deer hunters as a group wield the most sway with major manufacturers of rifle ammo. We buy the most ammo and demand performance from it. If it fails, we tell everyone about it and buy someone else's product.
Enter Winchester's R&D department and a new approach to a hunting bullet. 
First, they looked at expansion. For most bullets to expand beyond their caliber size, which is necessary for bottleneck rifle cartridges due to their small diameter, they generally have to do a good bit of movement. Picture a hollow point hunting bullet and think about how far that point needs to expend before it "grows" to the same size as the bullet's caliber-or larger. Read the rest of the story here.
Hit them where you are suppose to and one shot is all it takes.
No 30-30...
Probably the new bullet design is incompatible with tubular magazines. A lot of 1894’s still out there doing the job.
Just need a special 2 part tip...
I will say, too much penetration for deer hunting has never crossed this deer hunter’s mind. In fact, beyond accuracy and consistency, I have never given any thought or been concerned with the lethality of the ammunition I use. Every good shot I have ever taken at a deer has been VERY lethal. And every shot has always gone in and out. The exit wound is the best source of the blood trail usually. I would like to see as much blood as possible in the event that I have to track a deer. I say, two holes are better than one. But that is my opinion.
Deer specific implies that it won’t hurt/kill any other animal.
I like that. Pray and spray a bunch of brush, and just go over and pick up the dead deer.
Ain’t technology good.
But I wonder, what ‘specificity’ is a JHP .45?
If they made the polymer tip softer like the Hornady FTX bullet it could be used in tubular magazines.
You make a very valid point.
1957 Buicks even had non-expanding hollowpoints and a shrouded front sight.
.54 lead ball. 110 gr. fffg. Careful aim. Low tech has worked for me every time.
I love that Caddy, but to me the Buick looks like a brick.
Re-inventing the wheel again. Placement is more important than expansion, no matter what the paid gun writers tell you. They work for their advertisers.
A buddy of mine says:
Shot placement is King
Adequate penetration is Queen
All else are Angels dancing on the head of a pin.
Yeah, but then how are they going to sell you their latest whiz bang cartridge for $3 a pop?
Have been and continue with WW 30:06 165 SP. Hit em right is all that’s necessary.
Don’t need any ‘super-techy’ $3 bullet, thank you.
Love that ‘58 Cad..........
Didn’t have very many deer....... huh? Did he mean deer hunters? More now then in the 50’s?
Absolutely. Deer were hunted to heavily during the depression. I’ve heard people say that if they found a deer track back in those days they’d call the neighbors to come and look at it.
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