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Convention of States Project ^ | 7/31/15 | Convention of States Project

Posted on 08/01/2015 5:03:21 PM PDT by Jim W N

You elect them. They go to Washington, D.C. They accept lobbyists' money. They forget who they represent.

Break the cycle. SIGN the petition and help call a Convention of States: http://ow.ly/QesXB


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: constitution; freedom
This Citizens for Self Governance proposal is the best of the Convention of States proposals IMO. The problem is it is a top-down solution requiring aggregate precision and federal cooperation. IMO, aggregate precision is improbable and the feds are beyond remedy. A Convention of States or your favorite candidate as President will not be able to flip the $4 trillion federal beast, $3 trillion of which is unconstitutional and illegal.

This federal beast with two heads has gradually grown over the last 125 years into an unmanageable, gargantuan problem. One head represents the sheer size of this monster. Cutting it down to constitutional size would mean dissolving most cabinet posts with their bloated bureaucratic departments and dissolving the "Administrative State" of these hideous regulatory agencies. The other head represents 125 years of unconstitutional SCOTUS decisions giving the beast its apparent power and authority. Both heads must be destroyed to kill the beast.

The feds are beyond repair at this point. They don't want to get fixed - they like things as they are. By definition, a fixed federal government is a constitutional federal government. But who or what has the power to send hundreds of thousands of government workers, bureaucratic heads, and officials home packing without a job?

No, we've got to abandon the idea of fixing the feds at least from the top down. The solution needs to come from the bottom up - from individuals and their own states. I believe the fight for freedom at this point is beyond offense moves against the feds. I think we are in a defensive position at this point and each state that cares to needs to circle the wagons.

We're further down the road than we want to believe. This country began on the premise of God-given individual rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. I think the answer needs to start right there: with the individual. Individuals need to decide for themselves whether they want to be free or under tyranny. If enough individuals in a state want freedom and the reinstatement of the Constitution as the Supreme law of the Land, then that state must begin to implement freedom for itself by renouncing and nullifying unconstitutional federal acts which by definition are acts of tyranny. And in doing so, they must justify such nullification by showing the constitutional basis for rejecting among other things 1) the unconstitutional "Incorporation Doctrine", 2) the unconstitutionally broad application of the Commerce Clause, and 3) the unconstitutional silencing of the "PROPER" portion of the Necessary and Proper Clause.

One state at a time. It's literally a fight for freedom at the grass roots, one state at a time. Forget about a top-down aggregate solution and forget about the feds. States need to circle the wagons. This is a defensive move to fight for freedom. Individuals and states need to act NOW, not wait for someone else or some kind of convention.

1 posted on 08/01/2015 5:03:21 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
Nullification by a state is a constitutional dead end.

The way to stop horrible ideas before they become law is to prevent their passage, and that means restoration of the federal republic.

Repeal the 17th to restore the 10th.

2 posted on 08/01/2015 5:12:39 PM PDT by Jacquerie ( Article V before we can't.)
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To: Jacquerie

DITTO!


3 posted on 08/01/2015 5:19:58 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Jacquerie
Nullification by a state is a constitutional dead end.

Jacquerie, as you know, you need to provide a little more than a conclusory statement to put together an argument. You need to fill in the reasoning blanks.

Nullification by state is a bottoms up fight for freedom. On its face your statement says that the fight for freedom is a "constitutional dead end" which makes no sense.

The way to stop horrible ideas before they become law is to prevent their passage, and that means restoration of the federal republic.

You're 125 years and $3 trillion too late. It's an individual state battle now. Prove to me by refuting my reasoning why it is not.

4 posted on 08/01/2015 5:45:01 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Fiddlstix

See post #4


5 posted on 08/01/2015 5:45:50 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jacquerie

Jacquerie, I would add that repealing the 17A is a great idea and wouldn’t be difficult to correctly word such an amendment. Just copy the 21A and replace with 17A.

“The seventeenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.”

Neat and clean, but not nearly enough.

We both want to see the 10A and the federal republic restored but I argue there’s more than one way to do it. Going on the offense with a top down approach (directly attacking the feds) is not the only way and in many ways the most difficult, at least by itself. The defensive individual state effort to nullify unconstitutional federal acts is another valid and necessary approach. ALL available approaches should be used if we hope to slice and dice this $4 trillion beast.


6 posted on 08/02/2015 12:16:56 PM PDT by Jim W N
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