Posted on 05/26/2015 6:20:40 AM PDT by Sean_Anthony
Guilty of using lies that have evoked hatred, fomented racial unrest, sparked riots, caused property destruction and led to innocent people's deaths. Guilty of gross malpractice and, by proxy, murder. Guilty of being destroyers of civilization
Leftists are upset about what they view as a double standard with respect to the Baltimore/Ferguson affair and the recent Waco gang shootout. They’re right, too—there sure is a double standard.
And, as usual, it’s their own.
Consider, for example, an Associated Press piece by one Jesse J. Holland titled “Differing perceptions of Waco, Baltimore bothering some.” Holland starts out writing that the “prevailing images of protests in Baltimore and Ferguson, Missouri, over police killings of black men were of police in riot gear, handcuffed protesters, tear gas and mass arrests. The main images of a fatal gun battle between armed bikers and police in Waco, Texas, also showed mass arrests—carried out by nonchalant-looking officers sitting around calm bikers on cellphones.” The idea is that while the black thugs in Baltimore and Ferguson received harsh treatment and coverage, the primarily white thugs in Waco were, relatively speaking, handled with kid gloves.
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Liberals can see into people’s minds and souls by watching video of them.
“Liberals can see into people’s minds and souls by watching video of them.”
Like Winton’s telescreen.
I’d be willing to be that NOT ONE of them EVER OPINED about the race of the dead at the Branch Davidian Compound in Waco Texas all those years ago at the hands of our ‘law enforcement’. NOT ONE.
They wantonly overlook two critical issues:
1. In Waco, 9 people were KILLED by police. In Baltimore, 1 died by accident, and that was before the protests/riots began.
2. In Waco, arrestees recognized police as ruling authority: when told to sit and don’t move, they sat and didn’t move. In Baltimore, the arrestees had openly declared police the enemy: the whole point was active violent disobedience against police.
The cops shot a bunch of those bikers dead from what I understand, unlike any of the Baltimore\ Ferguson \ Cleveland rioters.
They weren't all shot by police, unless the cops were undercover wearing Bandidos MC gear.
At least one Cossack was killed execution-style in front of his young son by a Bandido who walked up and shot him twice in the head.
In a way, you just touched upon a foundational cornerstone of our advanced civilization.
thugs = Waco PD, ATF, McLennan Co Sheriff Dept, DPS, etc.
kid gloves = sniper bullets to their heads
I don’t remember a riot, looting & burning, in Waco?
So had the bikers went on a looting spree would the poleece backed off and let them loot an burn as they pleased like in Ferguson?
9 DEAD THIS WEEKEND IN BMORE
12 DEAD THIS WEEKEND IN CHICAGO
not a word from the libtards running these war zones...
soros will send more agitators to the next target city
the doj will send another $160 taxpayer millions to the ceptic tanks... to swirl down the payola drain... and line politicians pockets .....
THERE ARE A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO JUST CANT GOVERN OR MANAGE ..... and they are LEFT WING LIBTARDS
"Black Privilege" didn't apply in Waco, no stand-down order given.
Accurate information remains...fluid. That’s one data point I hadn’t seen and will keep an eye on. Will be nice when we have all such information sorted out; I imagine we’ll be following this thru the courts for years.
OK, make that “8 killed by police”. Overall point remains: race was not a factor, and if it was it sure wasn’t the way the race-obsessed are trying to spin it.
So how many of the protesters in Baltimore were still locked up, more than a week later?
When this is over, it could result in a RICO case for up to a few dozen Banditos and Cossacks.
They made it easy for LE, since they came together, wearing their uniforms, and committed their act right in full view.
If it annoys families of the non-criminal clubs, to await the release of their loved ones, perhaps they will advise said motorcycle enthusiasts to avoid association with known criminals, lest you get swept into their troubles.
Remember the film of the black mother marching her teenaged son, away from the riots? And law abiding viewers cheered her on.
Picture the wives and families of veteran biker clubs, Christian biker clubs, etc. standing in front of their guys, and saying “No, don’t go. Don’t go riding with those bad guys. You might get caught up, in their misdeeds, and go to jail, too.”
Bingo. Touched on? that is my central axiom.
It’s cultural. It REALLY IS cultural. And, alas, some cultures don’t thrive or survive - for objective reasons.
I had this hammered home when watching Les Stroud’s series _Beyond_Survival_. It’s a fascinating documentary where “Survivorman” seeks out obscure tribes and observes how how they get by. He often laments that “soon they will die out, and all this culture and history and wisdom will be lost.” I sympathize therewith at one level...but at another, I note that they will be lost _because_ the culture is, objectively, not robust enough to thrive (much less advance). The kicker (for me) came when he joined the local men in fishing: they stood/sat on poles offshore for hours, dangling hooks _without_bait_, hoping to snag a fish; over time they caught enough to barely get by. I’ll be very unpopular for suggesting this...but...well yeah that culture is going to vanish, that’s the objective natural consequence of perpetuating non-viable survival behavior. That’s an extreme example, but the point applies to many other cultures which will, eventually and thru complex interplay, self-destruct.
I’m concluding “conservatism” is the recognition that certain lessons are hard-learned and hard-won at great cost over many generations, that society MUST follow and preserve those behaviors, despite possibly not knowing/remembering why they are in place, precisely because they are so vital to a thriving culture - and that dismissing them casually because they’re inconvenient or momentarily unpopular is a fast-track to cultural collapse, whereby (hopefully) the lessons will be learned again, although again at great cost and time. Obedience to authority is one of many examples.
“committed their act right in full view.”
What acts (worthy of LEO action, culminating in numerous dead)? documentation thereof?
That was a great defense of your opinion, and is unassailable, IMO.
Everything you wrote is true.
“What acts (worthy of LEO action, culminating in numerous dead)? documentation thereof?”
How about we pick up on your screed, about cultures that survive?
I assume that the criminal biker gangs (Banditos and Cossacks, perhaps others) are the bad guys. I assume the 250,000 residents of Waco city and surrounding areas, desire law & order, and therefore hire a professionally staffed force.
I assume that one function of that community’s cultural survival, is preventing/keeping physical violence to a minimum, and away from innocent bystanders, in public places.
I assume (evidenced by their presence) that police had reason to be present at Twin Peaks on that day, to perform their cultural sustainability role, e.g. preservation of “law & order.”
A more aggressive step for cultural survival, might have been a City Council ordinance making gatherings of 10 or more motorcycle riders, at any place and time. That is the modern day version of getting run out of town.
I come down on the side of the residents of Waco and surrounds, law enforcement, law & order.
I do not know for a fact who threw the first punch, drew the first knife, fired the first shot. I give the benefit of doubt that law enforcement did not do so.
Therefore, since in my view 250,000 residents and law enforcement seem aimed towards preserving the survival of civil society, and only a few dozen intent on notorious rowdiness, drug dealing, murder and mayhem, culture looks safe to me.
Of course you may think we are better off turning it all over to the Banditos. They can charge fees, to fellow bikers for peace. Maybe as your alternate culture evolves, the Banditos can take over all law enforcement, for the town.
The Banditos/Cossacks/Hell’s Angels/Mongols version of criminality is little different from the Crips & Bloods.
A lot of good men and women put their safety in jeopardy every day, wading into the neighborhoods of the Crips & Bloods, and the Banditos et all, for the safety of the local populace.
I feel the civilian populace of Waco, along with the good people of inner cites, want and deserve those officers to attempt to help their cultural survival, by not letting the thugs take over completely.
I do NOT mean veterans, Christian, vintage bike, recovery clubs are comprised of thugs. I DO maintain that they make the task of cultural preservation more difficult for law enforcement by providing elements of credibility, respectability and cover for the bad guy bikers.
It is NOT a binary proposition, pitting “all bikers” against law enforcement.
It IS a complex situation, where the cultural survival of the 250,000 residents comes first. That cultural exists because of a strong belief and expectation of law & order.
I have several friends that ride HD motorcycles. Mine are mainly but not exclusively of the recovery, Christian, veteran type.
I’m a 67 year old veteran, and I would say everything I said here, to my biker friends.
I’d like to agree.
Except there’s no word of what the precipitating event was, no independent video/photos, almost no indication of what happened and why _nine_people_are_dead_.
Yes, we’re talking about “1%ers”. Not the kind of people you’d like around. I don’t question the police being informed in advance, and preparing for trouble.
But...there’s no indication the were there for trouble. They’ve had such meet-ups without incident. There is a “right to assemble/associate”. There’s preparing for trouble, and then there’s waiting for an excuse.
And there’s that core problem of nine dead, and no indication _why_.
Yes, my screed on cultural survival applies. One of the serious threats to a culture’s survival is when police/military get trigger-happy. Yes, felonious gangs are a problem that must be addressed; the existence of one problem (which tended to remain self-contained, mostly gang-on-gang) does not obviate the existence of another (literal overkill by government agents).
Lacking further objective evidence (please keep me appraised of any you find), it’s looking more like the diners pursued little more than roughhousing, and the police were looking for an excuse to eviscerate the gangs. Not good for cultural survival.
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