Posted on 04/05/2015 8:57:52 PM PDT by juliosevero
Point is, "privileges and immunities" exist through specification. They are types of positive law.
Rights, on the other hand, are not specified - that's why they are called "negative" or natural rights. They pre- exist even the government itself, and come from God.
Your very screen name refers to this difference - the 10th Amendment is the declaration of the People's inherent possession of all UNenumerated rights, except as circumscribed by specific laws.
Rights are therefore not granted by government, like the privileges and immunities of the 14A.
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With all due respect Talisker, I’m not sure that we’re on the same page of music. I based my statement on John Bingham’s post-14th Amendment ratification clarification of the 14th Amendment in the congressional record. The excerpt below from the congressional record below is followed by Bingham reading the first eight amendements to his colleagues in the House of representatives.
"Mr. Speaker, that the scope and meaning of the limitations imposed by the first section, fourteenth amendment of the Constitution may be more fully understood, permit me to say that the privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States, as contradistinguished from citizens of a State, are chiefly defined in the first eight amendments to the Constitution [emphasis added] of the United States." — John Bingham, Appendix to the Congressional Globe (See most of middle column.)
Bingham clearly uses the term “privileges and immunities” term to refer to the first eight amendments whereas many citizens today would probably refer to privileges and immunities simply as their constitutional rights.
I dunno.
The mere thought of l sited ingredients freaked me right out.
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> but something they were born with and could not help- then
> that would be a different story-
No it would not.
Some people are born with a proclivity for alcoholism.
That does NOT excuse their drunkenness.
..good thing is, it's sodium-free.
The muslims and the Gaystapo both have the same war plan.
They were/are never going to eat the cake for that very reason. This is about compliance.
Governor Pence either did not know what he was doing when he signed both versions of the bill or he is a sellout. I tend to believe it was ignorance. Either way, he and the Republican legislature have done enormous damage to the state’s constituents religious freedoms. I hope at some point he understands just how stupid this was.
Find a Homo print shop and tell them you have an order for 100 "Gog Hates Fags" placards or T-Shirts.
1 John 3:16New International Version (NIV)
16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters.
Governor Pence is just another Chamber of Commerce crony capitalist.
If he had any leadership qualities, he would have called the NCAA’s bluff and told them they could go ahead and play their Final Four elsewhere.
He would also have invited Wally World and snApple to go ahead and cut off their nose to spite their face.
But, no...
| www.dol.gov U.S. Department of Labor Forced Labor The internationally recognized definition of forced or compulsory labor is found in ILO Convention 29. According to this Convention, forced or compulsory labor is "all work or service which is exacted from any person under the menace of any penalty and for which the said person has not offered himself voluntarily." ILO Convention 105 further specifies that forced labor should never be used for the purpose of economic development or as a means of political coercion, discrimination, labor discipline or punishment for having participated in strikes. |
Its not clear to me that this is the case.
All the cases I have seen posted here were where the baker refused to sell the gays a wedding cake at all, giving libs the ammunition that they could similarly refuse to sell a wedding cake to mixed race couples, or serve gays in a restaurant.
Each debate on this on TV the libs brought up the mixed race wedding example to use to beat up their opponents.(and it seems to be working)
Pence abandoned this fight pretty fast, never talked about any of this.
They keep using these analogies and they are ridiculously inappropriate. Refusing to cater to homosexuals can fall under the protection of one's religious beliefs. Refusing to cater to Klansmen and Nazis does not. However, neither Klansmen or Nazis are a protected class so they can't sue for discrimination.
Under the original law they could if it violated their religious beliefs. Under the current law they can't.
What's stopping you?
Just out of curiosity, in Indiana, can the KKK demand a Black baker to make cakes decorated with remarks that the baker finds offense ?
My gay friends are still hating on Indiana
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