Posted on 03/04/2015 3:35:53 PM PST by marktwain
Governor Rick Snyder has signed the concealed carry reform bills into law.
Governor Snyder, who vetoed virtually the same bills only six weeks ago, signed them just hours ago. Senate Bills 34 and 35 are now Public acts 3 and 4 of 2015. The bills had passed with strong, veto proof majorities in both the House and Senate.
County gun boards are eliminated by the bills, with a number of other reasonable reforms. The gun boards were put in place in 1927. In 1925, a black man, Dr. Ossian Sweet, had used a handgun to defend his family from a mob attack. Some have claimed that the Michigan legislature, lobbied by the KKK, passed the handgun permit law to keep black people disarmed.
In 1931 Michigan became the first state to ban short barreled rifles and shotguns, a ban that was copied from Michigan law into the infamous National Firearms Act of 1934. Michigan's ban on short barreled rifles and shotguns was eliminated last year, but now relies on the old federal law for licensing and taxes on short barreled guns. Just as with the gun boards, it was hard to find any serious reason for the existence of the law, now that the second amendment has been incorporated to the states. From mlive.com:
Senate Bills 34 and 35, now Public Acts 3 and 4 of 2015, call for the elimination of county gun boards by December. Duties will be transferred to county clerks and the Michigan State Police.Other reforms in the new law are:
"These bills streamline how we issue concealed pistol licenses, creating a uniform system that will better support the rights of firearm owners in Michigan," Snyder said in a statement
Hey, he did the right thing. Give credit where credit is due.
Yes, his signature is better than a third senseless veto.
But just as forced charity is not true charity. This signature simply means that his arm can be twisted. That is better than an unthinking ideologue of the left, for certain.
Any change in their tough reciprocity requirements that you know of?
We need to go constitutional carry.
Permits and their implication of possible denial infringe on Americans’ fundamental rights. Government has no business requiring permits. ..”the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed .”
Constitutional carry is in play in 6-7 states right now. All of them have shall issue laws.
It is a step by step process.
We are winning on this issue.
We’re getting there.
As far as I’m concerned any man too dangerous to own a gun is a man too dangerous to walk the street. Lock up truly violent and dangerous people and keep them locked up. Leave the rest of us alone.
Yes. There is progress. What’s needed next is the recognition that permits are not needed (are an unconstitutional governmental activity). Hopefully,
Permits aren’t required for open carry in Michigan. I’ve never understood the reason for needing one for concealed carry.
that’s good about open carry....congrats!
there is no conceivable excuse for the state to try to impose a permit requirement on a constitutionally-protected activity...not with our Constitution and not with the history that went into the writing of that cornerstone social contract for our society
nevertheless, the progress in Michigan is good news...
every small step forward is still a step forward
thanks
“Permits arent required for open carry in Michigan. Ive never understood the reason for needing one for concealed carry.”
Most of the concealed carry bans were meant to keep certain groups of people from being armed. These were those considered outside of mainstream society, slaves, then freed blacks, hispanics in Texas and California, Chinese and Japanese, and Eastern European immigrants. All of the “right people” understood that these laws were not to be applied to the white middle and upper classes. But over time, the elites got scared, particularly in the early 1900s and in the middle 1960s, so they started seriously enforcing the law against all those but the elites, who could always get a permit a dollar a year badge.
should be “permit or a dollar a year badge.”
Where are the reciprosities tough? Here’s a link for the most current rules:
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
Michigan only recognizes Utah permits for Utah residents. It does not recognize the non-resident permits from any other state.
Hence my question, but I feel better now, thanks.
...and thanks for that link. Beautiful!
An "unlimited" CCW was always a mark of privilege in Michigan. Now the elites push for a "LEO-type" super-CCW that lets them carry in forbidden zones, and is supposed to awe any podunk cop that dares to stop them.
Those are still out there, as is the "private" database that the state attorney general allows cops and federal alphabet agencies to browse. It's mainly for amusement purposes, since it is a record of only valid CCW holders. The data is included with any inquiry into vehicle license number, or your name. The bored "LEOs" can watch you do the official kabuki dance required when stopped by The Law, and give you several hours of harassment if you get one word out of place.
This $50million/year system is declared by all county and state prosecutors, and "political" cops, as the one safeguard that prevents blood from running in the streets, regardless of how "shall issue" is working. It ain't going away, no matter how hard up Michigan is for $50million to spend on other things.
Agree.
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