What May Christians Safely Disbelieve?

Ethics Forum ^ | January 10, 2015 | Alice C. Linsley

[Jandy on Genesis]

My Roman Catholic friend, Michael Liccione, has written on his Facebook page that "the main disagreement among American Catholics is not about whether we should believe 'all that the Holy Catholic Church believes, professes, and teaches,' but which teachings we may safely disbelieve."

I responded, "Aggiornamento has that effect on us! There is an interesting parallel between the Roman Catholic Church in the USA and the Anglicans in the USA in that liturgical reform suggested to many that the historic Catholic faith had changed. The Vatican II liturgical changes and the Episcopal Church's 1979 prayer book changed words and forms. If lex orandi lex credendi is true, we should not be surprised that Roman Catholics and Anglicans have to decide what they may safely disbelieve."

[SkyDancer]

Islam ... and MoHAMmad ... pork BBQ’s unto him ...

[Ann Archy]

There is NOTHING in the CATHOLIC CHURCH’s DOCTRINES that ISN:T TRUE.

[fishtank]

How about the Vatican 2 teachings on islam?

V2 is a pack of lies.

[Ann Archy]

What are they , pray tell.

[ConorMacNessa]

For a starter, take a tour through the Nicene Creed.

[Jandy on Genesis]

We don’t pray the Nicene Creed, but Christians do recite it. It should inform our theology, don’t you think? Maybe that’s why some churches don’t use it? They don’t want their people to be formed by the ancient church’s beliefs.

[Olog-hai]

What May Christians Safely Disbelieve?

Lies.

[ConorMacNessa]

Are you a Christian?

Just asking - "We don’t pray the Nicene Creed, but Christians do recite it."

I pray it, and the people I know in my parish pray it, as distinguished from reciting it.

The Creed, the Two Great Commandments and the Eucharist are the core of Christianity.

If you think yourself a Christian, you cannot disbelieve in any of those.

[fishtank]

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

” The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.”

Here is the lie.

Rome says Yahweh = Allah.

No way.

[ClearCase_guy]

Have to agree with that.

The whole Allahu Akbar thing -- does not mean a mild "God is great". Instead, it basically means "Our god (Allah) is greater than your God (Yahweh)".

Clearly, the Muslims know that there is a difference between the two.

[OneWingedShark]

There is NOTHING in the CATHOLIC CHURCH’s DOCTRINES that ISN:T TRUE.

Really?
Or are you going to claim that the brothers and sisters of Jesus mentioned in Matthew really didn't mean brothers and sisters?

(Matthew 13:55)
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

(Matthew 13:56)
Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?

And, as for the virginity itself it makes little sense it in light of this:

(Matthew 1:25)
But he (Joseph) had no union with her (Mary) until she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.

As union is obviously sexual intercourse.

[Viennacon]

Well, if you dont believe Obama is the Won you are clearly a racist

[Roman_War_Criminal]

But Jesus said this:

John 14:6
“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Most “Christians” find that hard to swallow....much less muzzies.

[Jandy on Genesis]

This article is NOT about the Catholic Church. Obviously, you didn’t read it.

[OneWingedShark]

This article is NOT about the Catholic Church. Obviously, you didn’t read it.

But the comment I was responding to was; obviously, you didn't read it.

[Oratam]

O MY GOD, I firmly believe that Thou art one God in Three Divine Persons, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I believe that Thy Divine Son became Man, and died for our sins, and that He will come to judge the living and the dead. I believe these and all the truths which the Holy Catholic Church teaches, because Thou hast revealed them, Who canst neither deceive nor be deceived.

[WriteOn]

Not quite. Rome says that all gods are shades of the one true God. That worshipping a god, trying to serve a god, is a degree better than not and that this is the road to God. They applaud all on that road. St. Paul said the same thing in speaking to the Athenians.

[trebb]

There is NOTHING in the CATHOLIC CHURCH’s DOCTRINES that ISN:T TRUE.

Even not eating meat on Friday? .... Oh, wait.