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More from Jonathan Gruber
Coach is Right ^ | 11/16/14 | Michael D. Shaw

Posted on 11/16/2014 8:29:23 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

Many folks are now familiar with this so-called “health economist” from MIT, based on the viral video in which he talks about the stupidity of the American voter. As recently exposed by the Washington Times, this limo-liberal fraud, just like his fellow Bay Stater Liz Warren, has gotten quite well compensated working on behalf of the common man.

Greedy Gruber knocked down much more than a cool $1 million for his bloviations–most of which are now being at least superficially disavowed by the White House.

Now, more material is coming to light…

This from a talk he gave in 2012 at the University of Rhode Island (hat tip Washington Examiner)…

“In America, we have a pernicious feature of our tax code, which says that if MIT pays me in wages, I get taxed. But if your employer pays you in health insurance, you do not.” [Is it pernicious when something does not get taxed, Jon?]

Gruber explained that most Americans become defensive and object when policymakers try to change this, because they don’t want their health insurance to be taxed. But it wasn’t until Secretary of State John Kerry, another Massachusetts “hero,” came along that he realized how to sell such a plan successfully.

“John Kerry said, ‘No, no. We’re not going to tax your health insurance. We’re going to tax those evil...

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: california; gruber; grubering; gruberingobamacare; healthcaretaxes; johnkerry; jonathangruber; nancypelosi; obamacare; obamasboygruber

1 posted on 11/16/2014 8:29:23 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax
We’re not going to tax your health insurance. We’re going to tax those evil insurance companies.

I've been trying for years to make sure that Americans understand that no business are taxed. NONE! All the price of the service or merchandise included the tax which means that the consumer pays all taxes. Every damn tax including income tax.

2 posted on 11/16/2014 8:37:26 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Oldpuppymax

Everybody is “EVIL” except the democrats who have perpetrated so much garbage upon the American people.


3 posted on 11/16/2014 8:39:25 AM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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To: All
Obama is downplaying Gruber's role in healthcare----but if Gruber was NOT the Obamacare architect---then Gruber took money under false pretenses and should be prosecuted for govt fraud. He took tax dollars from the feds and state govts "posing" as an expert.

TAXPAYERS DEMAND CONGRESS GET ANSWERS WRT GRUBER'S CASHING-IN ON THE BACKS OF "STUPID" TAXPAYERS

Four U.S. states and the federal government (read taxpayers) have padded Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber's wallet to the tune of $5.9 million since 2000, including millions connected to his work on the Affordable Care Act.

We need investigations---to see how our tax dollars changed hands---and landed into Gruber's pockets. The disdainful, preening Gruber was paid tax dollars to spin his web of lies...and to reiterate his contempt for taxpayers who are footing the bills.

Even more disturbing is the massive, multi-billion-dollar slush fund the self-serving Gruber hid from "stupid" Americans in Obamacare. Gruber made dam sure it was kept hidden from us stupid taxpayers.

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The Untraceable $8 Billion ObamaCare PR Budget---truly govt fraud at its finest. Egged on by Pelosi, Democrats slavishly voted for Obamacare by an historic straignt-party line vote. But not one Democrat told Americans about Obamacare's Section 4002---which mandates an $8B untraceable fund to "promote" Obamacare (apparently b/c Boobamba had so little confidence in his signature legislation).

THE PAYOFF--WHO GETS THE MONEY? In 2010 Taxpayers are extorted $500 million, in 2011, $750 million, 2012, $1 billion, 2013, $1.25 billion, 2014, $1.5 billion, and, in 2015 and on, $2 billion

<><> Where is all that money going?

<><> Was cashing-in the incentive in getting the thing passed.

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Taxpayers demand to know ---- why Gruber/Obama/Pelosi didnt reveal that Obamacare contains a multi-billion dollar slush fund?

Exactly who is cashing in?

The sound of wire-transfers to offshore banks is almost palbable.

4 posted on 11/16/2014 8:40:54 AM PST by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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To: Logical me

Hmmmm ..?? All companies pay a “corporate” tax.

The fact that it gets shoved off to the consumer is a major problem .. but it’s how they do business. Why pay the tax if you can convince the consumer to pay it for you, by inflating the prices of the items they sell.


5 posted on 11/16/2014 8:42:08 AM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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CONNECTING THE DOTS---The salient point is this: Gruber acting as an independent researcher is one thing---but Gruber consorting w/ many people in govt figuring out ways to lie in order to to dupe the tax-paying public is a CONSPIRACY.

POINTS TO PONDER: (1) WH sign-in sheets show Gruber went there at least nineteen times. (2) Gruber, himself, talked about Obama being in the room when the Cadillac tax was invented. (3) Based on his Obamacare experiences, Gruber took tax dollars from several states to set up Obamacare exchanges....and earned millions of dollars doing so. (4) Nancy Pelosi is on-tape citing Gruber as a source. (5) Gruber was there when Hillarycare was developed. (6) Another Gruber confession involved a conspiracy w/ Teddy Kennedy to rip-off Medicare to finance Romneycare.

6 posted on 11/16/2014 8:42:14 AM PST by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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To: Oldpuppymax

This guy needs his own “Weather Chanel”, or pay per view.
“Keeping Up With The Grubers”


7 posted on 11/16/2014 8:46:23 AM PST by lee martell
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To: Liz

Money Grubering Leftist...


8 posted on 11/16/2014 8:48:35 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Oldpuppymax
It’s a very clever, you know, basically exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the American voter.”

It was John Kerry's "idea" and this self-confessed MIT genius thinks it's "very clever". Clever? The only people who thinks it at all clever are Bevis and Butthead, played in our little drama by widdle boy prodigy Johnnie Goober and his pal Jean-François Carré.

9 posted on 11/16/2014 9:00:47 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Taxing those “evil” insurance companies is ONE reason we high sky high rate increases!!!


10 posted on 11/16/2014 9:22:02 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

he didn’t sell the plan successfully to conservatives or 60% of the voters only liberals went along with the plan.


11 posted on 11/16/2014 10:19:00 AM PST by rolling_stone (1984)
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To: rolling_stone

Surely, Mr. Gruber has violated some professional standard that warrants jerking his chain.....


12 posted on 11/16/2014 10:30:34 AM PST by ptsal (Repubicans swallowing more kool-aide from Rove & Kristol)
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To: Logical me

Preach it, every damn time.


13 posted on 11/16/2014 10:33:38 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Oldpuppymax
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15 posted on 11/16/2014 6:36:22 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)

14 posted on 11/16/2014 2:58:59 PM PST by Grampa Dave (The Democrats, who run America are too old, too rich, and too very/very white elitist losers!.)
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15 posted on 11/16/2014 3:01:46 PM PST by Brother Cracker (You are more likely to find krugerrands in a Cracker Jack box than 22 ammo at Wal-Mart)
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To: Brother Cracker
Will NBC continue to Sit on it ?
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16 posted on 11/16/2014 3:02:28 PM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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To: Logical me
All the price of the service or merchandise included the tax which means that the consumer pays all taxes. Every damn tax including income tax.

While this is often the case, there are a few very strong exceptions, monopolies (and a subspecies called a franchise - no not the opportunity to buy into a chain) and a category of things called economic rents. In either case, when inelastic supply meets inelastic demand the market price often results in windfall profits. Even the most conservative of economists, has viewed these sorts of things as fair game for taxation. In these cases the taxes come out of the windfall profit and do not generally result in raising the cost of the good sold - which is established by a market mechanism independent of the cost of production.

17 posted on 11/16/2014 4:17:12 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: lee martell

Not a simple Republican senator or Congressman voted in favor of that monstrosity called Obamacare. It must be make perfectly clear that democrat Phd com man Gruber, called stupid not all the American voters, but just the democrat voters that put the “Liar in Chief” in the White House, in spite of his Marxist anti-American back ground, and all the Democrats legislators co-conspirators with the president in the greatest deception against the American people in the history of the United States.


18 posted on 11/16/2014 4:58:58 PM PST by Dqban22
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