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Well, Sierra, how about making some 22 shells for us? LOL! Probably not cost effective for them.
1 posted on 04/08/2014 7:05:14 AM PDT by rktman
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Why excerpt this blog?

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Even though Sierra BulletQuestionMarks does not make .22 LR ammo or projectiles, we are constantly asked “Why can’t I find any .22 LR ammo anywhere?” Even the conspiracy theorists are at a loss on this one as they can’t even blame it on the government. They toss around thoughts of warehouses full of .22 LR rotting away just to keep it out of their hands, but that does not seem very realistic – even to them.

So what is going on here? Why is it that 1.5 years later, the shelves are still empty and bricks of .22 LR can still be seen selling for upwards of $75-$100 at gun shows? I do not believe there is one answer, but rather a few. Here are my opinions on the matter, for what they are worth.

Hoarders – Some people are piling it away in their basements, garages, bunkers, and under their beds due to fear of not being able to find it again. This is not a huge factor in it, but it is still a factor to some degree. When these hoarders can’t find it on shelves, it only panics them more and causes them to buy even more when they do find it.

Gougers – These are the guys who prey on the fear of the hoarders. These are the guys that wait in line at Wal-Mart at 3 a.m. to buy up the daily allotment that Wal-Mart puts out at normal retail prices and then double or triple their price on the weekend gun show circuit. Again, not a huge factor, but keeping the shelves looking empty which keeps the panic level higher for those that are looking.

Demand – Now we are getting to the real meat of the issue. You hear manufactures say they are running 24/7 on their Rimfire lines which is putting somewhere around 25-30 million rounds PER DAY (estimate on my part from numbers I have heard from the big rimfire guys) into the market – so how can there be a shortage? I have asked this myself – until we start doing even a little basic math. You hear all kind of numbers about how many firearms owners are in the USA, but you hear 70-80 million quite often. So for the sake of us not arguing that number – let’s cut it to 35 million. Do you know a gun owner that does not own at least one firearm chambered in .22 LR? Do you know any that are not looking for .22 LR ammo or would at least buy some if they saw it for normal prices? How many would they buy when they found it? A lot – right? But again, just to keep the argument on the low end, let’s say they would all be satisfied with just a single 500 pack. 35 million multiplied by 500 .22 LR rounds for them all – is 17.5 BILLION rounds. Let that sink in. Even at 25 million rounds being made PER DAY – that is 1.92 years’ worth of production.

Starts making some sense then doesn’t it? Hoarding and panic emptied the shelves. Gougers try and keep them empty and demand does keep them empty. Then factor in that I probably cut the real number of 22 LR shooters in ½ and probably underestimated the amount everyone would buy if they found it at normal prices by 300% and you can see how deep the problem really is and why it is not going to go away tomorrow. It also does not take into account the world market – just the USA.

How will it get better? Slowly. The hoarders will get to a point that they feel they have enough or will run out of money. The shelves will start getting enough on them that the gougers cannot buy it all. This will make people stop paying $50-$75 for a brick at gun shows. That will make it less profitable for the gougers to spend their money on and they will stop. The shelves will start to have product again which will ease people’s fears and get them back to buying what they need today instead of what they need for the decade. There is no fast answer.

Are the manufactures hiring people for extra shifts and adding capacity – sure they are. But it is easy to just expect them to ramp up production overnight to take care of our needs, but that is just not realistic. We get the same thing here. The market certainly has not grown 500% so what happens when companies add all that super expensive equipment when things get back to normal? They take a bath on it for sure and waste capital that they could have used to improve their company in a way that makes them stronger. Instead they just added equipment they may never need again and have to mothball while they lay off workers they no longer need. Not a great way to run a business and not a fair way to treat employees.

We all just have to trust that it will get better, do not buy more than we need and wait it out. It will not get better overnight. It will start out with a box here and there and then a few and then slowly the shelves will get back to having all the supply and selection we picky consumers are accustom to and will certainly appreciate much more than we ever did before……if only for a little while.


2 posted on 04/08/2014 7:06:12 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: rktman

You know better than to excerpt.


3 posted on 04/08/2014 7:07:45 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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The issue is demand is way out stripping capacity. The cost to put in a 22LR manufacturing line is about $8.0M USD and lead time is 30-36 months, the ROI is 18-22 years...so ammunition manufacturers are really slow to put in new capacity for 22LR.

I know because that is what I do every day for a living. The ROI just takes so long on a large capital investment... the manufacturers do not benefit by the high consumer prices, the middle-men do...


5 posted on 04/08/2014 7:12:11 AM PDT by Article10 (Roger That)
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You can buy 22LR out there, if you want to pay 12-15 cents a round for it. You can buy 10,000 at that price.

My target is 5 cents a round. And, that is only the kind you can buy at WalMart if you happen to be there when they put it out on the shelf.

22 MRF is even more expensive....generally you can get all you want if you pay 30-50 cents a round... my target price is less than half that. Again, WalMart prices.

My personal belief is that it will never get back to those general price points. There’s just too much gun-grabbing actions going on, and there will be hoarding for these two calibers going on for quite some time.


6 posted on 04/08/2014 7:13:03 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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22’s are cheaper to shoot then anything thing else out there. Will keep you in practice much cheaper, I think is a lot of the reason.


7 posted on 04/08/2014 7:13:34 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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Consumption numbers too.

Three guys out in the gravel pit for an afternoon with their semi-autos can burn up some ammo. I am sure that folks are shooting up their supply much more slowly these days, though.


9 posted on 04/08/2014 7:14:34 AM PDT by lurk
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Hoarding.

I imagine there is less profit in it as well, so the manufacturers are not going to go out of their way to increase production.


10 posted on 04/08/2014 7:15:13 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Now is a golden opportunity for states to create enabling laws to encourage state only gun and ammunition production.

That is, if all materials are produced in a state, and guns and ammo are sold only for in-state use, then eventually an argument can be made that the federal government has no regulatory authority over it.

Importantly, because of lower sales volume, a state wanting to do this needs to create some incentives, such as a contract with businesses that do this for a preference in purchasing state LEO weapons and ammo; and on the other end, commissioning of high value collectible firearms, to be given as awards.


12 posted on 04/08/2014 7:17:44 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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I have 5000+- rounds, some of which I’ve had for 5+ years. I think the amount some of you are paying is simply ridiculous.


18 posted on 04/08/2014 7:30:04 AM PDT by Rannug ("all enemies, foreign and domestic")
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Sorry, but you all missed the obvious . . .

Everyone has been having boating accidents.


27 posted on 04/08/2014 7:50:17 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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22LR Bullets is highly negotiable in BARTER TRADE. More useful than gold under certain circumstances.


29 posted on 04/08/2014 7:52:55 AM PDT by Tugo (MAD-MAX WORLD CURRENCY)
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A buddy received a beautiful Ruger brand new .22LR rifle for Christmas. He has yet to actually test fire it, because he can’t find .22LR ammo.


32 posted on 04/08/2014 7:58:27 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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Although I have one brick of .22LR ammo, I haven’t been able to find more.
Originally this cut into my range time, but I now find that a nice nitrogen piston air rifle can be had in the range of $150 to $350 and it will throw out a .22 caliber pellet at the same muzzle velocity as the .22LR round. Although, it’s single shot, I can still get in the range time I want with this substitute. Air rifles have come a long way in power and performance since I was a kid.


36 posted on 04/08/2014 8:04:44 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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You can find sources for .22LR in stock here.
http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/rimfire/22lr/


38 posted on 04/08/2014 8:05:36 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: rktman

Now is the time to buy centerfire, not rimfire ammo.

5.45x39
7.62x39
5.56x45/223Rem
9mm
40S&W

I would recommend reloading, but expect to have trouble finding components (brass and bullets) in popular cartridges/calibers. Something like 243Win or 260Rem might be viable vs. 308Win or 223Rem.

Back when the Chinese demand for copper was driving up the price of bullets and brass was the right time to stock up on components that were available. I haven’t looked at the component market since 2007/2008. Things may have changed (worse?).

It’s unlikely to get better any time soon.


49 posted on 04/08/2014 8:31:20 AM PDT by nonsporting
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Why waste manufacturing capacity ramping up a cheap round like the 22lr? With DHS IRS EPA DOE USPS USFS TSA ordering billions of higly profitable ammo it makes more sense to put your resources in the that side of production. Like selling the rope with which they will hang you.


55 posted on 04/08/2014 8:49:32 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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This is what it will be like with every thing when SHTF.

Stop hoarding!


60 posted on 04/08/2014 9:05:23 AM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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I saw many thousands of rounds at ten cents at the Pickens flea market last Wednesday.


67 posted on 04/08/2014 9:17:32 AM PDT by rsobin
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