Time to Repeal The National Firearms Act of 1934

The Marine Sentinel ^ | 10/16/2013 | Marine Sentinel

[Brasky]

If you’re talking SAW, absolutely. But that’s a different animal (like battlefield). Area suppression vs cqb. Btw good luck getting a M249.

[wally_bert]

I agree the Thompson was and is a cool looking piece of hardware. The M1 not so much but two weapons for two jobs.

[Resolute Conservative]

I was burned in effigy a while back for saying this, but if SHTF and it gets real bad I will take whatever I want from those who voted against this country.

[MUDDOG]

The M1 not so much but two weapons for two jobs.

Agreed. The Garand was an outstanding weapon, as the Japanese soon found out.

Their banzai charges worked well overwhelming Chinese armed with bolt-action rifles, but it was a different story against Marines armed with semi-auto Garands.

[Kip Russell]

Btw good luck getting a M249.

If it hadn't been for the 1986 ban which outlawed the transfer of any full autos not registered as of that date, an M249 would probably cost around three or four thousand. As it is, it's a wee bit more...I just googled it, and there is a total of one, that's one transferable M249 for sale.

$550,000 and it's yours.

[Geoffrey]

At Guadalcanal the Marines still had ‘03’s. The Army had the Garands, which the Marines by hook or by crook took.

[Brasky]

You’re right. MP5’s run 20k. Probably the only full auto that’s a tack driver.

[2CAVTrooper]

IIRC, the only helmet “cover” that was allowed in the ETO was the net that allowed for vegitation and other camo to be applied.

[MUDDOG]

Apparently the show's writers wanted to give Sgt. Saunders a different look from everybody else.

Vic Morrow was great as Saunders.

[Buffalo Head]

"Honesty it just wastes ammo."

So what is your point? The 1/4 million machine guns now in civilian hands are owned by collectors, aficionados and folks who just plain enjoy shooting. If the fun of shooting a machine gun has to be explained, you will never understand.

[MUDDOG]

The Marines still won. Just took a little longer with an ‘03. ;)

[Molon Labbie]

What if said cop disagrees? What if the rest of the SWAT teasm disagrees? You got a SWAT team that will agree to go along with you?

[Sarajevo]

The requirement for a license negates the right and replaces it with “privilege.”

Well said

[hattend]

Bump what you said.

[B4Ranch]

By then any remaining cops will have solidly become the enemy of the people.

[Cboldt]

In the Miller case, the NFA was struck down as unconstitutional. The lower court struck down the NFA and dismissed the indictment against Miller. The case was directly appealed to SCOTUS.

SCOTUS said that it lacked the information it needed to decide the case, BUT IF the weapon in question "has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia" or "is any part of the ordinary military equipment, or that its use could contribute to the common defense", then that weapon is in the ambit of protection of the 2nd amendment. So, if a shot barrel shotgun fits within one of those categories, then that part of the NFA was ruled to be unconstitutional.

Miller was not only a no-sow at SCOTUS, he was also unavailable on remand, so a judicial finding was never produced, whether or not a shotgun with a barrel of less than 18 inches has some military use.

I still blame SCOTUS, because its Miller holding was butchered chronically, and appeals taken to SCOTUS, which denied cert.

When it comes to the 2nd amendment, the federal court system is an open scam.

[B4Ranch]

That's the way I feel. If the cops want to become the police force of the government then they will have become the enemy of the people.

It doesn't take a whole lot of courage to tell your boss, "No, I refuse to do that because it goes against my beliefs."

.... this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

[B4Ranch]

DHS has already declared us veterans as terrorists. So, in their eyes, we are the enemy of the government.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

So, if a shot barrel shotgun fits within one of those categories, then that part of the NFA was ruled to be unconstitutional.

Aye, therein lies the rub.

The Government prosecutor argued that the weapon that Miller and Layton transported in interstate commerce, a double-barrel Stevens 12-gauge shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches in length and bearing serial number 76230, is not issued to any military entity anywhere in our country.

He stated, "To say that this weapon is part of any well-regulated militia is utter nonsense."

The prosecutor, Gordon Dean, had stretched the truth about as far as he could. Short-barreled shotguns had been used in every military engagement in the last fifty years before then, but what Dean had actually said was that serial number 76230 was not government issue, so he didn't see it as a lie.

That is the information that the justices did not bother to question and on which the whole case hinged.

[Cboldt]

-- That is the information that the justices did not bother to question and on which the whole case hinged. --

The rule laid out in the case is pretty clear. Assuming the court meant to assert as a fact that a short barrel shotgun (blunderbuss) has no military or defensive use, I'd put that right up with asserting that water isn't wet, and therefore people caught in the rain don't get wet.

And then there is the problem of applying the rule that is set out, to another weapon, say tommygun.

I suppose the alternative is that the federal courts are immune to facts, and I think that's about the size of it. Zero credibility, and their only claim to power is that they have the guns. ZERO moral authority.