Skip to comments.Choosing a “biker mob” gun
Posted on 10/05/2013 5:53:28 AM PDT by marktwain
This image of a biker gang pummeling Internet executive Alexian Lienn as his wife helplessly looks on is terrifying.
Lienn and his wife were enjoying a day out celebrating their wedding anniversary with their baby daughter when a so-called pop-up gang of bikers surrounded them as they drove on Manhattans West Side Highway. One biker, later identified as Chistopher Cruz, swerved in front of Lienns Range Rover and brake-checked the vehicle by slamming on his brakes, forcing the vehicle to stop. 2,000 lb SUVs being much harder to stop than a sport bike weight just hundreds of pounds, the SUV bumped Cruz and came to halt. Other bikers quickly swarmed the SUV, slashing its tires and trying to get to the terrified family trapped inside.
We covered the details of what happened next in an earlier article that features a video of the ensuing chase, but that video just coincidentally cuts off before the biker mob pulls a now-trapped Mr. Lienn from his vehicle and beats and stomps him on the pavement as his wife helplessly looks on, their two-year-old daughter in the back seat. Mr. Lienn could have easily been killed, and was completely at the mobs mercy.
While this particular mob formed in New York City, they can occur anywhere, and the thuggish riders that participate come from far away. Edwin Mieses Jr, the biker left paralyzed as Lienns SUV ran over him trying to escape, came all the way for Lawrence, MA for the ride (and had a long arrest record of dozens of motor vehicle infractions).
Video of the attackand revelations that the NYPD has a policy of ignoring these gangshas given many people to consider what they would do if caught in a similar situation, and for Americans that live in states where they insist on exercising their freedom, that may involve preparations to use a firearm in self defense.
Long guns (rifles or shotguns) are impractical in vehicles, as are their derivative pistols (AK- and AR-based) because of size limitations.
Small pocket pistols and revolvers, while comfortable for everyday carry, are limited by small magazine/cylinder capacity.
Were I trapped in such a situation, pinned in by traffic and confronted by a hostile mob looking to breach the vehicles cabin with the obvious intent of causing my family harm, Id want a service-sized semi-automatic pistol with a standard-capacity magazine of 15-20 rounds, with at least two spare magazines within close reach.
Frankly, this sort of situation calls for the Zimmerman special.
After Florida neighborhood watchman (and road hazard in his own right) George Zimmerman had his Kel-Tec PF9 pistol confiscated and he became the center of a political firestorm, he purchased a FN Five-seveN pistol. He did so at a time when the New Black Panthers put a bounty on his head, and there was the very real possibility that he would have been lynched by a mob if his location were revealed.
He needed a handgun that could carry a large number of rounds, so that he could engage multiple threats quickly and accurate.
We dont know for sure who helped Zimmermann select the Five-seveN, (though I have a hunch it was probably his Federal Air Marshall friend, Mark Ostermann), but it was an inspired choice. The Five-seveN boasts a factory standard 20-round magazines, and the high-velocity, low-recoiling 5.7x28mm round that lets a shooter get back on target quickly and transition from one target to the next.
When he turned himself in to be charged for murder, Zimmerman turned over his Five-seveN, 3 20-round magazines, and 61 rounds of ammunition that had become part of his everyday carry gear. It was all released back to him after the trial (Zimmermans PF9 remains in the custody of a spiteful U.S Department of Justice). He is believed to be carrying this gun to this day.
The Five-seveN is a bit of an exotic, but the same role could just as easily be filled by a Glock 17, Springfield Armory XD, Beretta M9, or any other service-size pistol with a 15+ round magazine capacity with several spare magazines in reserve.
We live in a world where criminal mobs form in minutes via social media, and police would rather ignore them than confront them.
What would you chose to defend your family with in such a situation?
Just nuke NYC
Why not a PS90?
XDm 9mm.....19+1 capacity.
I recently started to carry this. If you need more than 19, you are in serious doo doo
I don’t know of an SUV that only weighs 2000 pounds.
If you’re in full-auto land, I’d look at an FN P90.
I’d pick the GAU-Avenger seven barrel rotating cannon on my personal A-10 Warthog.
Those 30mm depleted uranium rounds will do the job!
18.5 inch pump shotgun with pistol grip loaded with 12 ga 00 buckshot. My Mossberg Maverick holds 6 in the tube mag and 1 in the chamber. 2 rounds fired into the swarm will disperse the rest and you still have 5 rounds for any bold ones.
Low calorie SUV.
The big weapon he had at his hands, the driver failed to use, other than when driving over the bikes at one point to escape. You can’t out-speed or out-brake a sport bike, but you can surely cause them to stay away by intentionally weaving among them. This is a very basic and effective tactic taught at all tactical driving schools. Weave one foot right, two left, increasing until you are covering two lanes with high-speed S turns. A bike can do a lot, but it can’t resist a 5,000# four-wheeler smacking it sideways. Stunt bikes rely on “cages” driving straight down the highway in fear, then they can zoom right along side or in front of you. Start weaving at 60mph, and the bikes WILL back off. If not, they will be flung into the trees.
Since it appears 5 police officers were in the group, they may have been wearing vest. You should also take penetration into consideration.
I dont know of an SUV that only weighs 2000 pounds.
Yes, you are correct. It is likely closer to 6000 pounds.
I have made the same type of error, in a rush to get out a story. There is also a typo in the story, where the story reads “for Lawrence” instead of “from Lawrence”.
I would like to encourage a little understanding of the new media on these points. We often work without a net (editor) to catch these sort of errors.
I have been looking for volunteer editors for my work. No takers yet.
HK USP .45. 12 rounds. Preference would be my Remington 870 Police model shotgun. In any event, one is sure to lose their hearing when firing inside enclosed space. The report from an 18 inch barrel (12 ga.) is most discomfiting. HK .45 not pleasant either. But being beaten/killed by biker mob even less inviting...
The FiveSeven is a cool gun, but its expensive and ammo is not easy to find (nor is it cheap). Just get anything that holds 15+ rounds. These crotch rocket rallies aren’t real gangs with some system of honor and brotherhood. They’re just punks who meet up over social media and decide to go harass motorists. I doubt that you’d have to shoot them all. Shoot a couple of them and the rest will scoot away.
I read the title, and thought immediately of the FN FiveseveN.
Expensive gun with pricy ammo, but worth it.
It would be great to have a conversion kit so you could train with .22LR.
You just have to hope that nobody in the mob is packin...
No problem. From some of the howlers I see in the DBM having an editor is no guarantee of accuracy anyway.
The FN 5.7x28 is on my wish list. If it is good enough for the Secret Service, it is good enough for me.
My thoughts exactly.
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