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1 posted on 07/11/2013 6:10:36 AM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

Given the society and people in power we have today, any constitutional convention would enshrine the further enslavement of the american people to a ruling class.


2 posted on 07/11/2013 6:12:02 AM PDT by Bayard
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To: JOHN W K

A second Constitutional Convention would be a disaster for all the reasons you mentioned. There are no Madisons or Washingtons or Franklins in the U.S. today.


3 posted on 07/11/2013 6:13:23 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: JOHN W K
Let us be very cautious in the lure of calling a second constitutional convention which would more than likely end in making legal, that which is now unconstitutional.

There is a fine line between being cautious or just plain cowardly. I'm with Levin, if for the sole purpose of repealing the 16th and perhaps the 17th, if that doesn't overly complicate the process. Let's do it while we still can, for we are already headed to a place far worse than many can imagine.

Been saying this since I've been here...

6 posted on 07/11/2013 6:19:18 AM PDT by Errant
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To: JOHN W K

No, WRONG! He is calling for a “Convention to consider amendments”. That is distinctly different than a “Constitutional Convention”.


7 posted on 07/11/2013 6:19:43 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: holdonnow

Mark should know better...Constitutional conventions can be dangerous if liberals infiltrate them. They could conceivably scrap the whole thing, as happened in 1787 when the Founders (quite illegally) scrapped the Articles of Confederation and started over.


11 posted on 07/11/2013 6:31:20 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: JOHN W K

Can we wait until after the revolution and the blood is cleaned from the swords?

It seems that one without the other is pretty much an exercise om futility.


14 posted on 07/11/2013 6:36:13 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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I am absolutely opposed to a Constitutional Convention, which will do nothing but eliminate important, valid provisions of the current document, while adding all sorts of rights-cancelling new ones.

What emerges from such a convention will look more like the South African constitution than what we have now.


16 posted on 07/11/2013 6:39:00 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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Good morning.

Proper netiquette states that you should ping the person you are talking about.

5.56mm

17 posted on 07/11/2013 6:39:15 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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Levin made of point of saying it IS NOT a 2nd Constitutional Convention...

“..you’ll hear critics say, “We don’t need a Constitutional Convention! We’ll never get anyone better than the Framers!”
And they’re right! This isn’t a Constitutional Convention.

This is a convention for proposing amendments to the Constitution.”


19 posted on 07/11/2013 6:43:20 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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Levin is out of his mind.

A Constitutional Convention would be controlled by liberals empowered by the liberal media.

He had to have been drinking, having a psychotic break, or sold his soul to the devil.

Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid/ to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

So, 2/3 of the states call for an amendment-proposing convention, and congress gets to decide if the vote on those "proposed amendments" is from 3/4 of the state legislatures or from conventions in 3/4 of the states.

And how many delegates are at that original proposing convention, how are they chosen, and how do they vote?

I know....a "gang of 8".

And a voting convention in each state has delegates chosen how, how many, who, how do they vote?

Who gets to answer all these questions?

20 posted on 07/11/2013 6:43:42 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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I heard it. It was jaw dropping.

ConCon is the Hail Mary Pass. Fraught with dangers as we run a high risk of it being hijacked by activists with the Obama “positive rights” agenda.

The fact that a Conservative voice as prominent as Levin has given up on all other methods is quite telling.


21 posted on 07/11/2013 6:44:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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It's too late for that now....the Amnesty will take us to the next level of Parasitic Populace, which outnumbers the Constitution-supporting HONEST Americans.

The U.S. Constitution would look like the Communist Manifesto, which we are living under now. The Constitution is totally ignored by ALL THREE "Branches" of Government.

23 posted on 07/11/2013 6:49:24 AM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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No way. It is a time of peril for the Constitution and only a jerk would call for revisions while we have to deal with a dictator and a tyrannical administration. Talk about giving an enemy of America an opportunity to sink us totally. NO!
25 posted on 07/11/2013 6:52:34 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama does not know how bad he really is.)
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I fear a second convention because of all the bad that such an action could introduce. How many of the original rights do you think would be recognized from our current Bill of Rights? How many of those rights would contain "qualifiers," if they were recognized?

Somewhere, in such a new document, would give whatever future government, the "flexibility" to suspend such rights when the government sees fit. And such a document isn't worth the paper on which it's printed.

26 posted on 07/11/2013 6:52:45 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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I dread to think what ‘modern’ moderates and progressives would do in a constitutional convention.

Of course, the attendees would be appointments by current political interests. Having a general election would not necessarily improve things. Consider Congresses of the last 2 decades — they get to Washington and go about completely ignoring the will of the people.

I can't think of 10 6 3 any people I would trust writing new constitutional provisions.

33 posted on 07/11/2013 7:28:19 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: JOHN W K

The only things I’d be interested in are repeal of the 16th and 17th amendments (and on days when I’m in a particularly bad mood, the 19th as well(just kidding, sort of )).


37 posted on 07/11/2013 7:42:29 AM PDT by Marathoner (Sarah Palin is our Esther, for such a time as this)
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To: JOHN W K

A second constitutional convention without a second revolution IS A HORRIBLE IDEA !


40 posted on 07/11/2013 7:53:46 AM PDT by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: JOHN W K

I think Mark suffers from the illusion that we’d have a lawfully ruled country if our elites feared the law.

We’d have a lawfully ruled country only if our elites feared God...

One can sucessfully cheat the law (look at OJ Simpson), but you cannot mock God. Our leaders today—and most of the American people—no longer really fear God, hence they happily cheat the law...thinking they are getting away with it.

If you want law-keepers, you must have God-fearers (and God-lovers, as one goes with the other) first. This is what America lacks.


44 posted on 07/11/2013 9:26:47 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: JOHN W K
for someone with so much to say - you misrepresented what levin said

you should listen to what he said before exposing your ignorance of it with such a rant

50 posted on 07/12/2013 1:02:36 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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