Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Timeline of Obama Foreknowledge of IRS Scandal Continues to Slip
The PJ Tatler ^ | May 18, 2013 | Rick Moran

Posted on 05/18/2013 8:05:42 PM PDT by Kaslin

President Obama continues to insist that he first became aware of his IRS targeting conservative groups a week ago Friday when the news first broke.

This, despite the fact that his White House counsel, Kathryn Ruemmler, had been informed of the probe on April 22. And despite the fact, as the New York Times reports, that officials in his Treasury Department knew in March that tea party groups had been targeted.

President Obama continues to insist that he first became aware of his IRS targeting conservative groups a week ago Friday when the news first broke.

This, despite the fact that his White House counsel, Kathryn Ruemmler, had been informed of the probe on April 22. And despite the fact, as the New York Times reports, that officials in his Treasury Department knew in March that tea party groups had been targeted.

The inspector general gave Republicans some fodder Friday when he divulged that he informed the Treasury’s general counsel he was auditing the I.R.S.’s screening of politically active groups seeking tax exemptions on June 4, 2012. He told Deputy Treasury Secretary Neal Wolin “shortly after,” he said. That meant Obama administration officials were aware of the matter during the presidential campaign year.

The disclosure last summer came as part of a routine briefing of the investigations that the inspector general would be conducting in the coming year, and he did not tell the officials of his conclusions that the targeting had been improper, he said.

Treasury officials stressed they did not know the results until March 2013, when the inspector presented a draft.


(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: crime; impeachnow; irs; obama; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; scandal

1 posted on 05/18/2013 8:05:43 PM PDT by Kaslin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
President Obama continues to insist that he first became aware of his IRS targeting conservative groups a week ago Friday when the news first broke.

Pardon me while I puke. He ordered it.

2 posted on 05/18/2013 8:11:20 PM PDT by Mark17
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mark17

As far as Obama scandals go, this IRS scandal is rather lame. Unlike Fast and Furious and Benghazi - no one died as a result of illegal IRS tactics.

But hey - if this brings down the evil corrupt bastid. Then Great!


3 posted on 05/18/2013 8:15:29 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

No one but you and your media believe your bullsh*t, lies, Mr. pResident.


4 posted on 05/18/2013 8:17:18 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
I suspect it will eventually be determined that the White House had knowledge of this before it even happened.

That's the way it usually works when the Obama and his White House are the ones who initially tasked the IRS with this in the first place.

5 posted on 05/18/2013 8:17:59 PM PDT by rdcbn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
Unlike Fast and Furious and Benghazi - no one died as a result of illegal IRS tactics.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Since Ubama took office, the leading cause of death in the United State has changed from auto accidents to suicide.

I suspect that the IRS is responsible for some of those suicides.

6 posted on 05/18/2013 8:18:12 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Mark17

We will not pardon you. You must stay here and puke right along with the rest of us.


7 posted on 05/18/2013 8:18:39 PM PDT by MestaMachine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Mark17
He ordered it.

He didn't need to, things like that go unspoken, no direct words needed to be exchanged.

He knew, those who worked for him knew he knew, but they also knew, that legally, he did not know.

Plausible deniability.

8 posted on 05/18/2013 8:20:05 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died, now Obama covers up the lies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

That depends on the meaning of ‘targeted’. That’s a loaded and uncivil term, and the progressive geniuses would never use it, would they?


9 posted on 05/18/2013 8:24:28 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Arguing with a marxist is like playing Chess with a Pigeon.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Well, in a way people will die as a result of the IRS scandal because it was intended to get this piece of crap re-elected. Therefore the entire mountain of lies to the American voters could be seen as a cause of anything and everything in the piece of crap’s stolen second term.


10 posted on 05/18/2013 8:26:10 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
If you think this or ANYTHING will bring down Broncho Bamma, I have two words for you to think about:
PRESIDENT BIDEN
11 posted on 05/18/2013 8:26:26 PM PDT by Tupelo (The Government lies, then the media lies to cover up the government lies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Michael.SF.
they did it on spec...
12 posted on 05/18/2013 8:28:04 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Tupelo

If you think this or ANYTHING will bring down Broncho Bamma, I have two words for you to think about:
PRESIDENT BIDEN


What about it? Are you saying that a President Biden would not be acceptable if Obama resigned or was impeached?


13 posted on 05/18/2013 8:33:38 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: laplata

Biden is a clueless idiot. But even so - he could not do as much damage to America as Obama has done.

I hate all dems. But I don’t think they really truly hate and despise America like Obama does. He is intent on destroying the US.


14 posted on 05/18/2013 8:39:12 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: rdcbn; Kaslin

This is a quote from Valerie Jarrett just before the election. See how this plays? It’s all a vengence with this Chicago crowd.

“Jarrett told them, “After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay.”

Now doesn’t this sound like her little handy work? HHMMM? Why don’t we drag HER sorry carcus before a committee and then we let Judge Janine Piro question her.


15 posted on 05/18/2013 8:41:00 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Biden is a clueless idiot. But even so - he could not do as much damage to America as Obama has done.


Agreed. That’s the point of my question. Anyone thinking Biden could be as bad as Obama is not thinking straight.


16 posted on 05/18/2013 8:44:49 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Jarrett doesn’t belong in jail...she belongs in a dungeon.


17 posted on 05/18/2013 8:46:30 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

If Bush had done this we would be hearing and reading breathless variations on: “Constitutional Crisis!” and, “What did he know and when did he know it?” 24/7, and the media drumbeat would be like the wrap-up of a Johnny Weismuller Tarzan movie.

But since it’s Dem0bama, you know the journos are swilling their drinks tonight and confiding to one another, “We’ve given it all an airing. Time to move on. Besides, the president and press secretary say it’s Bush’s fault ...”.


18 posted on 05/18/2013 8:46:47 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mark17

Ah, but perhaps the order was a full-on Nixonian “We could do that, but it would be wrong,” (wink, wink) sort of order.


19 posted on 05/18/2013 8:46:57 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

TwitchyTeam New York Times finds IRS office an unprepared, understaffed outpost with no direction bit.ly/12DwQrB


20 posted on 05/18/2013 8:47:55 PM PDT by billys kid ("Bury me on my head for one day this world will be upside down." (Diogenes))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
The inspector general gave Republicans some fodder Friday...pathetic attempt to frame the story as something only the opposition Republicans are and would be interested in - prelude to trying to dismiss the whole outrage as a partisan witch hunt - should read "The inspector general gave the people of the United States some fodder...".......
21 posted on 05/18/2013 8:52:14 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
Valeries Jarrett's career was founded on vote-getting.

Her father-in-law Vernon Jarrett schooled her in it.

I will be very surprised if we do NOT see her name soon in connection with the IRS scandal.

22 posted on 05/18/2013 8:58:18 PM PDT by what's up
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
no one died as a result of illegal IRS tactics

No necessarily. If Soetoro and his banditos had not been able to "fix" the election, ZeroCare would have been repealed, saving many lives yet to be lost.

23 posted on 05/18/2013 8:58:55 PM PDT by immadashell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

We all know obama is a lying dirtbag.

whoopssss!! I hope I don’t become an IRS target for posting that.


24 posted on 05/18/2013 9:09:07 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin; All

Does anyone else remember flag@whitehouse.gov?

Iirc it was a place to “snitch” on people.

Two people tonight on TV mentioned the creation of a culture of tyranny Didn’t we talk about when the above program was initiated?


25 posted on 05/18/2013 9:11:26 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
Unlike Fast and Furious and Benghazi - no one died as a result of illegal IRS tactics.

But you are assuming that no one committed suicide when the IRS came after them. Historically, some have in the past. There was one prominent hacker that recently committed suicide when the Obama justice department went all Chicago on him.

26 posted on 05/18/2013 9:11:39 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
If you change a few nouns and names, the verbs are pretty much the same as far as faux outrage and very fake apology.

Tribune June 10, 1996

Clinton Admits Fbi Files Acquired

Administration Says It Was Honest Mistake

Dole Isn't Convinced

June 10, 1996|By William Neikirk, Tribune Staff Writer.
LAS VEGAS — President Clinton conceded Sunday that the administration mistakenly obtained the FBI files of more than 300 people, including many top Republicans, in late 1993 as the result of a "completely honest bureaucratic snafu" involving security clearances.

His chief of staff, Leon Panetta, told reporters that "obviously a mistake was made" and apologized to the people whose FBI files wound up at the White House. Clinton did not apologize directly, but said "I completely support" what Panetta said about the affair.

"It's inexcusable that the mistake was made, but none of that information was improperly used," Panetta told reporters aboard Air Force One. He said new procedures have been put in place "to ensure that that will never happen again."

The incident grew into a political controversy when Sen. Bob Dole, the presumptive Republican nominee, likened it to Watergate when the Nixon administration compiled an "enemies list."

In a campaign appearance with House Speaker Newt Gingrich in Georgia on Saturday, Dole referred to it as a "dirt-digging expedition" and demanded an apology.

"It smells to high heaven" Dole said. He added that for an administration that bragged that it would be the most ethical in history, "the Clinton White House certainly makes a lot of innocent mistakes."

The White House was caught off guard by the disclosure that FBI files of such Republican luminaries as former Secretary of State James A. Baker III; Gingrich's press secretary, Tony Blankley; Kenneth Duberstein, chief of staff to former president Ronald Reagan; and Marlin Fitzwater, former President George Bush's press secretary, were obtained by the White House personnel security office in late 1993.

Panetta said the mistake occurred when an Army investigator was brought into the White House in late 1993 to help clear up a backlog of paperwork involving security clearances for those seeking White House passes. He said the detailee was given an outdated list of passholders that included many officials from the Reagan and Bush administrations.

The Army official, Anthony Marceca, who was detailed to the White House's personnel security office, requested and obtained the files from the FBI and reviewed them for "derogatory information." If he found any, he passed it on to Craig Livingstone, the director of the office.

According to the Washington Post, Livingstone's attorney said that Livingstone did not pass on any information to anyone outside his office. Panetta told reporters that the files remained in the security office. Now, he said, they have all been returned to the FBI, but they remained in White House possession until they were returned last week.

"It appears to have been a completely honest bureaucratic snafu when we were trying to straighten out who should get the security clearances to come to the White House," Clinton told reporters.

As for Dole's criticism, Panetta noted that the senator had made the comment while campaigning with Gingrich at his side.

"When Sen. Dole gets on the stage with Speaker Gingrich, he begins to take on some of the same shoot-from-the-hip approaches," the chief of staff said. "It's shoot first and ask questions later."

Panetta said there would be an FBI investigation into the matter, but House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-Texas) said that wasn't enough.

"I don't think that ends it," Armey said on ABC, referring to the White House apology. "I think we ought to have hearings."

The fact that the White House had obtained the FBI records grew out of the controversy over the firing of the travel office staff in 1993. House Republican investigators first discovered a White House request for the FBI files of the fired travel office director, Billy Dale, and then learned more files had been requested.

The incident has a special touch of irony since Clinton gained political points in the 1992 presidential election when it was discovered Bush administration officials searched State Department files on Clinton's days as a student in London and his trip to the former Soviet Union.

The president's three-day swing also took him to San Francisco on Sunday, with stops scheduled for Los Angeles on Monday and Albuquerque on Tuesday.

Clinton, who announced opposition to so-called same-sex marriages, was met by about 200 gay rights advocates protesting outside the San Francisco home of Sen. Dianne Feinstein, where the president attended a $1 million Democratic National Committee fundraising dinner.

Clinton's visit to Nevada was the first of his presidency. He attended a fundraiser at the home of Brian Greenspun, publisher of the Las Vegas Sun, and raised a half-million dollars for Democrats. Less than half the money raised came from casino figures, including casino owner Steve Wynn.

Asked about the propriety of the president gathering funds from gambling interests while Congress is considering a bill to establish a commission to study the industry with subpoena power, Panetta said there was nothing improper.

"Fundraisers are a thing he's going to attend all over the country," he said. "People from all backgrounds will attend and make contributions."

Clinton said it appears that an agreement is near on establishing a gambling commission, which would have limited subpoena power. The agreement would make clear that "it wasn't going to be a witch hunt, which is my concern all along."

The president, who played a round of golf recently with Wynn, said the commission is supposed to look into the impact of gambling on the country, and "not any kind of a pursuit of any particular individual organizations (or) groups."

27 posted on 05/18/2013 9:24:13 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
Patience, please. No deaths yet, but they are coming, I might
say, fast and furious, once Obamacare IRS goonsquads commandeer
our medical files, and then decide who gets what, and when they might get it.
28 posted on 05/18/2013 9:31:51 PM PDT by jobim (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

keep lying, your lies will bury you, obama.


29 posted on 05/18/2013 9:33:40 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

I think Obama said he only wasn’t aware the IG report. As others have commented here, I believe this was a scheme to suppress the TEA party movement. I remember how it exploded onto the scene, but was somewhat subdued by 2012. Now we know why. Think of the difference a few hundred or thousand groups across the country could have made. Instead out of supporting the cause of freedom, they were cowering in their offices buried under IRS probes. Unbelievable. Of course, the Republicans screwed up by nominating Romney, who like McCain, spent most of his campaign on defense and continually praising Obama.


30 posted on 05/18/2013 9:37:34 PM PDT by BRK
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SERKIT
Wow - Craig Livingstone. It's like hearing "Wouldn't It Be Nice"
and running into that same girl on the lakefront in 1966. Puts a lump
of nostalgia in the old throat. What is that old boy up to, anyways - anyone heard?
31 posted on 05/18/2013 9:37:54 PM PDT by jobim (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Mark17

Presidents don’t order things. Presidents maintain plausible deniability by stating things strongly to their cheifs of staff, or their chiefs of staff just know what the boss wants. Then the Chief of Staff, in this case probably Valerie Jarett actually, states strongly down the chain, how nice it would be to tie up tea party groups through the election.

No paper trail and plausibility is maintained. Presidents are usually big picture guys, not detail guys. I hate Obama’s guts, but even he probably didn’t come up with the idea for the IRS to tie up tea party groups and other contributors with the IRS. The idea probably came from an underling a level below Jarrett.

Yes, the president is in it up to his neck and he is in on the cover up. It is the cover up that always sinks you.

If we had an unbiased media in this nation, that cover up would be revealed through leaks and we would be looking at impeachment proceedings.

Obama’s underlings did make one fatal mistake by going after the press with the AP scandal. Here is hoping the press is mad at him and brings him down. I’m not holding my breath. They will chew him behind closed doors and then make nice with him in public.

The corruption of my once noble nation is nearly complete.


32 posted on 05/18/2013 9:48:17 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: laplata

In prison she should be waterboarded every hour for the rest of her worthless existance. Only justice for such traitors.


33 posted on 05/18/2013 9:54:37 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation cam)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

Bingo!...Benghazi and F and F were accessory to murder....IRS scandal was just a breech of the “ever-changing” Constitution


34 posted on 05/18/2013 10:04:41 PM PDT by M-cubed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: ogen hal

I hope all of those people start wondering if they’re ever going to get a 3:00 am visit from some SEAL types. I really hope they sweat that out.


35 posted on 05/18/2013 10:05:32 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

He is intent on destroying the US.<<

and even thinking that makes us domestic terrorists!...U get it yet???


36 posted on 05/18/2013 10:06:55 PM PDT by M-cubed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: chris37
“No one but you and your media believe your bullsh*t, lies, Mr. pResident”

No way in Hell the press believe it either. The fellow travelers just help with the lying.

37 posted on 05/18/2013 10:10:48 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Excellent point. Remember Chaucer's Canterbury Tales from
your high school days? They were stories told by a group of pilgrims
going across England to the Shrine of St. Thomas A'Beckett. The
king was unhappy with Tom, and was overheard (on purpose) by
2 guards when he said: "I wish someone would kill that man
Thomas." The king's trial revolved around his culpability. I
think your point about spouting generalities, subsequently
translated into specifics by underlings, explains the
goings on. And Pilate asks Jesus: "Truth - what is that?"
38 posted on 05/18/2013 10:53:50 PM PDT by jobim (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: CrazyIvan

Is anyone wondering if Obama lied about not being serviced by Larry Sinclair and smoking crack during it?


39 posted on 05/18/2013 11:08:27 PM PDT by Yaelle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

bookmark


40 posted on 05/19/2013 12:09:06 AM PDT by GOP Poet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: laplata

Biden will get the press’s favors but not to the extent the Kenyan has.


41 posted on 05/19/2013 1:04:54 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: wiggen

Biden will get the press’s favors but not to the extent the Kenyan has.


Agreed. Do you think the Kenyan is done for? I ask because of your use of the future tense for Biden. LOL

I think it’s about 50-50 that the Kenyan is gone.


42 posted on 05/19/2013 1:12:14 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

If the main stream media does not report it ? then those who mega bucks could have a national campaign to place full page ads in news papers, buy TV time, and place ads on bill boards all across the country to alert the American people about these of many scandals.


43 posted on 05/19/2013 2:04:51 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: laplata

zero chance sadly. he would literally have to be caught performing post birth abortions to be ousted.


44 posted on 05/19/2013 2:44:52 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Nobody ever gets “fired” in the Obama administration. They just move them to a new job in another agency and give them a bonus for a job well done.


45 posted on 05/19/2013 3:27:51 AM PDT by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

He didn’t know nuttin’ ‘bout ‘nuttin!

Translated: the most brilliant man in the universe is a complete idiot.


46 posted on 05/19/2013 4:51:27 AM PDT by SuzyQueIN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: laplata

Someone high up has to turn on him. If Biden did that I highly doubt he would do worse damage than the Kenyan has done alreafy. He would probably be so thrilled to have the title of presidrnt, he would go along to get along for the duration.


47 posted on 05/19/2013 5:03:21 AM PDT by jersey117
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Mark17

>>President Obama continues to insist that he first became aware of his IRS targeting conservative groups a week ago Friday when the news first broke.

As Mark Steyn observed, he had the AP wiretapped, so you’d think he’d have gotten at least *some* advance warning.


48 posted on 05/19/2013 9:11:37 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: MestaMachine; Mark17

49 posted on 05/19/2013 9:15:34 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Piffle....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

The Limbaugh Theorem:

Obama is never seen as governing, and he’s always somehow “on the outside” of everything. It’s as if he’s not even president. He creates problems but never gets blamed for them; instead only Obama only gets credit for trying to fix them.


50 posted on 05/19/2013 2:38:56 PM PDT by Peet (Come back with a warrant.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson