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Obama Has Won! Is Civil War Inevitable?
Clash Daily ^ | May 10, 2013 | Skip Coryell

Posted on 05/11/2013 7:17:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Some of you are already shaking your head and arguing with my headline. I can hear the conservative craniums rattling all across America’s fruited plains, her mountain’s majesty, and from sea to shining sea. Let me clarify my title. Let’s start with the first half: Obama Has Won! But you scream back angrily at me, “NO he hasn’t! He didn’t win! We’ll never admit defeat!” Good for you. I appreciate and respect your patriotism and tenacity.

Unfortunately, you’re wrong. There’s no denying that one. He was re-elected, and he’s achieved every goal he set out to win short of disarming the American people. Obama’s primary objective (his mission statement if you will) is “To fundamentally change America.” Many argue that he’s already done that. I would argue that America was already fundamentally changed years before he was voted into office.

Three things paved the way for the Obama Presidency:

1. God was banned from the public arena. The Founding Fathers warned us that only an informed and moral people could sustain a constitutional republic. As it turns out, our founding parents were right. Only a moral people can know the difference between right and wrong. Look at our present culture. Wrong is right and right is wrong. We’re 180 degrees out of phase. For heaven’s sake we can’t even agree that men shouldn’t marry other men and that we shouldn’t pull babies from their mother’s bellies and murder them. Without God we are pond scum, and scum has no intrinsic value, no self-esteem, and no reason for existence. (That might help explain the skyrocketing suicide rate in our country.)

2. We lost the public school system. Once God left the schools, the liberals took over the education of our young. Right under our noses they captured that generation as well as the next generation (produced by the prior litter via unholy out-of-wedlock sin.) They dumbed us down, churning out millions of low-information voters. And since God wasn’t there to hold us accountable, it was easy for liberal teachers to sell our children a menu of selfish immorality. Kids don’t know any better unless they’re taught at a young age that serving others is better than serving your own vain and selfish appetite. Humans are inherently evil, not inherently good. Without God we have no compass.

3. We lost the media. The media, that stalwart fourth estate, the unofficial branch of government that always kicks in when the politicians lose their way, is no longer with us. Instead, the media is owned by the liberals. I should go farther and say that the media is now simply a soul-less, masturbatory tool of Barack Obama. (Bill Clinton was the John the Baptist of the liberal movement, paving the way for one greater than he, one, whose sandals he is unworthy to bear. Bill Clinton desensitized the American public to an immoral presidency. “I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky.” Of course you didn’t! It wasn’t sex; it was just a blow job in the oval orifice. It was none of our business anyways.) Now, the American people are so desensitized to immorality that it no longer matters what the president does. It’s no big deal. Sell machine guns to Mexican drug cartels and cause the death of Border Patrol agents? No problem. Withhold security from the Ambassador to Libya? No worries. He’s toast. And through it all, the media remains complicitly silent.

If politics is a game of Chess, then liberals are Bobby Fischer, and conservatives are The Three Stooges. In a cunning game of patience and forethought, conservatives just can’t compete.

Conservatives have always relied on informed voters with integrity and moral fiber, but they no longer have that advantage. It became clear to me that when Barack Obama won his second term: America was lost. We no longer have a society of voters capable of making prudent, wise decisions. Over half our electorate is now composed of narcissists who vote for their own selfish interests.

So where does that leave us? Is there any hope at all for America? Maybe, but I’m skeptical. For some time now I’ve wondered: Is there any hope for America this side of bloodshed? Was Thomas Jefferson correct when he said, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”

Prior to the first American Revolution, there was a period of about forty years where the people became unhappy with their King, where they gradually strained against the tightening bonds that sought to enslave them. I see it happening again. The ground is fertile for both slavery and revolution.

Alas, my nine hundred words are up. But let’s continue our discussion next week when I write about Adam Kokesh and his upcoming armed march on Washington DC. Will it be the next shot heard round the world? Will it spark the next American Civil War? Will it be the final nail in the coffin of freedom?

In the meantime, study the Founders. Pray to God.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: cw2; dnctreason; doomandgloom; noaccountability; nodocumentation; nohonor; nointegrity; nomoreamerica; obama; obamatreason; pessimism; rinotreason
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1 posted on 05/11/2013 7:17:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BTTT


2 posted on 05/11/2013 7:20:21 PM PDT by varon (USA Nationalist)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Schools were lost under W.
The media was lost under Clinton.


3 posted on 05/11/2013 7:20:22 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes!


4 posted on 05/11/2013 7:21:01 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We could turn back to God and then we would have some hope. Absent that, however, and I think the utter destruction of our country is inevitable. Civil War is a possibility, but even without war, we could just drift into total barbarism and anarchy. We can’t stop it. Only He can.


5 posted on 05/11/2013 7:24:09 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: mad_as_he$$

Oh, I think the schools were really lost beginning in the early 1970’s when the hippie and radical leftist students went back for their masters and doctorates and became professors, teachers, researchers, textbook writers, principals, instructors and superintendents.


6 posted on 05/11/2013 7:24:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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7 posted on 05/11/2013 7:25:11 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

America is like a healthy body and its resistance is

threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual

life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will

collapse from within.

Joseph Stalin


8 posted on 05/11/2013 7:25:22 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Biggirl

we live in two different countries anyway and if the NW and west coast went on it’s merry way to their socialist utopia then I would not lose any sleep , infact I’d have better sleeps


9 posted on 05/11/2013 7:25:26 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can’t disagree with one word....unfortunately


10 posted on 05/11/2013 7:26:11 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you buy into the pessimism, you and your descendants are doomed. You become the people the founders warned us against.


11 posted on 05/11/2013 7:26:16 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If a civil war happens, all of the internet commandos probably won’t like the consequences.


12 posted on 05/11/2013 7:27:06 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do you internet commandos know what kind of hatreds and passions would aroused in a civil war? Do you even care? Which side will I have to protect my family against?


13 posted on 05/11/2013 7:30:23 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wrote “Surviving Civil War II” which goes into what a modern civil war would look like. We are already in it.
Obama is fighting an asymmetric civil war using proxy armies of illegals, unions, OWS anarchists, the IRS, EPA, etc.
Internet is new territory, that’s why guns aren’t already blazing.
It is still over slavery, debt slavery of our children.
http://www.futurnamics.com/civilwar.php


14 posted on 05/11/2013 7:30:36 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What the Publishers Clearing House Sweepstakes ..........other than that he has won nothing.


15 posted on 05/11/2013 7:31:35 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: popdonnelly
If a civil war happens, all of the internet commandos probably won’t like the consequences.

Yeah. Seen too much real blood to look forward to anything like it. Calling for revolution is the affectation of adolescent boys and girls, running one is the job of adults, and we play for keeps. Not here, please not here.

16 posted on 05/11/2013 7:31:53 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

4. There is a minaret on the Freedom Tower.


17 posted on 05/11/2013 7:33:58 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is old news. We lost the media, the schools, and God in the public arena decades ago.


18 posted on 05/11/2013 7:35:40 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“He was re-elected”

Sorry. You lost me there.

He was SELECTED-fraud put him in office again—fraud and the lack of repubican gonads to fight fraud, even for America.

But, hey...we’re already IN a cold civil war, and I’m looking forward to fighting it.


19 posted on 05/11/2013 7:35:47 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But let’s continue our discussion next week when I write about Adam Kokesh and his upcoming armed march on Washington DC. Will it be the next shot heard round the world? Will it spark the next American Civil War? Will it be the final nail in the coffin of freedom?

One additional question: could it be a "false flag" operation by an agent provocateur?

20 posted on 05/11/2013 7:38:25 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
God has a plan.

It may not involve Nazi Zombies, but if it did, that would be wicked cool.

And he know's there's no shortage of candidates on the left.

That being said, an obama regime followed up by a hitlery regime and yeah, we're done.

But at least the zombies will be hiring.

21 posted on 05/11/2013 7:39:17 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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22 posted on 05/11/2013 7:39:22 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: mad_as_he$$
Schools were lost under W.

The schools were lost when the Department of Education was created. Everything since then has just contributed to the decline.

"No Child Left Behind" is a joke. Teachers don't "teach" critical thinking anymore, they teach enough for the kids to pass the tests and move on. It's absolutely HORRIBLE.

23 posted on 05/11/2013 7:39:32 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We’ve been unmoored from our constitutional foundation since Lincoln. Since Lincoln we’ve had a series of lesser tyrants who paved the way for Obama. We are where we are beause people along the way failed to push back. Most didn’t even realize what they were losing. They welcomed their bondage with open arms.


24 posted on 05/11/2013 7:43:08 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That is pretty much how see things but I am not optimistic about the chances of resistance.


25 posted on 05/11/2013 7:44:04 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Substitute the word ‘communist’ for ‘liberal’ in this piece and it’s even more accurate.


26 posted on 05/11/2013 7:44:15 PM PDT by Bullish (May the time soon come when Obamunism is only spoken of in hell.)
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To: Billthedrill
>> If a civil war happens, all of the internet commandos probably won’t like the consequences.
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> Yeah. Seen too much real blood to look forward to anything like it. Calling for revolution is the affectation of adolescent boys and girls, running one is the job of adults, and we play for keeps. Not here, please not here.

What of men like Adams, Washington, and Jefferson? Were they adopting "the affectation of adolescent boys"?
I think your generalization is over-general; but what is left when the entire system of governance is against you? Consider this: you cannot challenge a state-statute as being a violation of the State Constitution w/o violating that statute and therefore implicitly acknowledging that statute's authority. (i.e. the system forces one to argue from a position of weakness, even when the statute is against the high authority of the state.) And it is an order of magnitude worse on the Federal level because there is an assumption that the high court defines the [federal] Constitution... the same Constitution which creates and limits them they implicitly lay claim over.

At this point; a point where the TSA as a matter of routine violates the 4th Amendment, a point where the recording of public officers who are "doing their duty" in public is deemed "obstruction of justice", a point where all three branches ignore the authority that constrains them, at that point... what is left? (And we must remember that those in power are disinclined to relinquish it.)

This is what is left:

Slavery submitting to an invalid and usurped authority, or liberty bought with blood.

Those are our choices, and it is rapid approaching the point where we-as-a-nation must choose.
27 posted on 05/11/2013 7:47:42 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Way before the 1970’s; who took over America especially after 1913; bought control of the MSM and company boards; who paid for leftist radical’s educations, and who hired and promoted them over conservatives who were outcast by 1964. As for the USA’s communist revolution, it will begin when the dollar crashes due to bank-runs, failures and 500% inflation, the US Bond and stock market crash, etc. The Muslim commie cheerleader POS POTUS’s minions will savage large urban cities, I think, within a year or maybe two and conservative Christians will get blamed (Deja vu Rome burning and Nero).


28 posted on 05/11/2013 7:49:00 PM PDT by RHS Jr (Pity the banksters when Jesus comes)
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To: Fiji Hill

We can get them back eventually.

Fight “Commie-Core” education at your local schools. Talk to everyone about it—parents at ballgames, grocery cashiers, bank tellers, plumbers.

The media is FINALLY getting the sunshine it needs via Benghazi. Have you ever sent an e-mail to local talking heads? I have.

Giving up? Don’t do it. Even a small act of educating a neighbor too busy to research can act exponentionally.


29 posted on 05/11/2013 7:49:15 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Loss of the school system , which was pretty well done 50 years ago is the thing that has made this all possible. We have generations of kids who know nothing of history and tradition, who have not the intellectual tools to be able to discern what sorts of political things and what do not, who have had the Founders erased from the consciousness and have been educated to feel that Christianity is something you don’t talk about in public. There is no saving the schools, no “taking them back” because there are now generations of teachers who know no more than their students will learn. As far as education goes we are already third world. Only the old folks know how things should be and there are fewer and fewer every day.


30 posted on 05/11/2013 7:49:32 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Fiji Hill

Gun March Organizer Now Calling for Citywide Civil Disobedience
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3018058/posts

Lanier Says Police Will Meet Rifle-Toting July 4 Marchers at District Border
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3016943/posts

The Non-Violent March To Threaten Violence (MSM uses peacecreep Kokesh to tar conservatives)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3016533/posts


31 posted on 05/11/2013 7:50:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama Has Won!

Yes, he has. And he won by fair elections (more or less). The corrupt media helped Obama a lot. But Obama is in power not by coup, but by the ballot box.

It's called majority rule, and the majority chose Obama.

Is Civil War Inevitable?

Stupid. Criminally stupid. That would be like burning down your house because you don't like the restrictive rules the homeowner's association has set down.

Conservatives instead need to seriously rethink their strategy.

For example, I'll bet you the huge majority of Hillary supporters voted for Obama in the general election. But many conservatives don't do that. If their candidate loses, they pout and stay home.

32 posted on 05/11/2013 7:51:50 PM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Mortrey
He was SELECTED-fraud put him in office again—fraud and the lack of repubican gonads to fight fraud, even for America.

Do you remember the Republican Primary fiascoes like retroactive rule-changes? Or the ones at the RNC? (The teleprompter incident & the bus incident?)
Romney was just as much selected as Obama was -- the Powers That be had us on Morton's Fork where either choice would implement socialism.

PS - It's not that the GOP lacks gonads, it's that they're complicit: nothing else explains the level of incompetence in opposing the Democrats's socialist agenda -- they must be "in on it".

33 posted on 05/11/2013 7:52:12 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

yes...


34 posted on 05/11/2013 7:52:40 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: mad_as_he$$
Schools were lost under W.

he didn't help it any, but the schools were gone long before W. as for the media, we never had them. Another thread was talking about the show The New Normal being cancelled. The fact NBC even considered it took a while to desensitize us from, say, the Cartwrights and the Flintstones. It took long before x42 to bring us to a gay couple trying to adopt a kid in prime time..

35 posted on 05/11/2013 7:52:50 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: Fiji Hill
One additional question: could it be a "false flag" operation by an agent provocateur?

Just because it's a "false flag" doesn't mean it cannot spark the war.

36 posted on 05/11/2013 7:53:02 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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No, of course not. Perhaps I was unclear. Those were men and women who settled the thing for keeps, and they waded through a river of blood to do it. That's how Americans do it.

We may yet come to that, but forgive me, I don't want to kill anyone because I'm good at it. We're all very good at it, we Americans, and that sort of thing touched off cannot be stopped until a lot of people who needn't die, will.

37 posted on 05/11/2013 7:53:33 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: usconservative

Agreed - mostly. It started under Carter and schools were lost under W.


38 posted on 05/11/2013 7:55:15 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t know how likely a CW would be, but the idea of seceding from the degenerate, fag-marriage states sounds more appealing with each passing day. It disgusts me to be in the same Union with them.


39 posted on 05/11/2013 7:57:43 PM PDT by greene66
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To: ClearCase_guy

I am not sure that a hot war is winnable by our side. The machine of the state, has cowed a certain percentage of our side who will not defend those who do take a stand.

Think about that for a while and honestly tell me that there will be a cavalry to come in and rescue those patriots willing to take a stand or will they be just another David Koresh style take down.


40 posted on 05/11/2013 7:58:38 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (The Government is actively preparing to go to War with a significant portion of its own Citizens.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Amen!


41 posted on 05/11/2013 7:59:13 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up" Jeremiah 50:32)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We talked ourselves into abandoning free enterprise. One regulation to correct a perceived injustice here, another regulation to protect our health or make the job safer. Both parties participated but the underlying intent was the nationalization of industry and the elimination of small businesses by making compliance ungodly expensive. Let the buyer beware? No regulate competition so only outright thieves and charlatans prosper outside of the crony capitalist industry leaders.


42 posted on 05/11/2013 7:59:21 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bookmark


43 posted on 05/11/2013 8:01:13 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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Not to be glib, but a civil (revolutionary?) war is inevitable. Heres the rub. The overloards, as at this point I am not calling them Government since they dont govern they rule, has the choosing of when they ignite it, barring an unforseen firestorm. The latter is unlikely though unless tv is shut down.

Furthermore, as much as I see thru obama and his henchemen, our congresscritters are equally as culpable. Do nothings.

44 posted on 05/11/2013 8:05:37 PM PDT by CygnusXI (Im back!)
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To: Leaning Right
For example, I'll bet you the huge majority of Hillary supporters voted for Obama in the general election. But many conservatives don't do that. If their candidate loses, they pout and stay home.

Probably because conservatives have both standards and Principles, both of which the left doesn't have.

Principles aren't merely suggestions, they're a code that you live by, double that if you are a Christian.

Now I am assuming you are referring to Mitt Romney and John McCain.

On this you are wrong as well.

Romney wasn't even a real Republican, and for conservative Christians, Romney's stated support for Abortion just before the election (after lying about being Pro-Life at CPAC during the primaries) and his implementation of Gay Marriage while Governor (and lying about it), his support for Gays in the Military, and his support for Gay Adoption, and his support for Gays in the Boy Scouts means many social conservatives couldn't vote for him.

For some of us, it was more important to please God before being a pragmatist.
45 posted on 05/11/2013 8:06:45 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: OneWingedShark

Well then...let’s just all fix an adult beverage, sit back and watch the end.


46 posted on 05/11/2013 8:06:47 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes. Thermouclear civil and global war.

Let the socialists of all shades, and the muslims, have what they deserve - extinction.


47 posted on 05/11/2013 8:07:46 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bump


48 posted on 05/11/2013 8:08:51 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: OneWingedShark
>"Romney was just as much selected as Obama was "

Just like McLAme.

Even if 0m0slem had lost the first one, things would still be just about where they are today.

Pubbies get tyranical laws passed because no body is skeered of them.


Bush's Fault!!!!! For ceding office to an islamic nationalist socialist foreigner!

49 posted on 05/11/2013 8:09:01 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up" Jeremiah 50:32)
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To: CygnusXI
Furthermore, as much as I see thru obama and his henchemen, our congresscritters are equally as culpable. Do nothings.

I've lost track of when I started saying it, but the reality has been for a very long time that there's two sets of laws in this country: One for the Political Ruling class, and another for the rest of us.

"Insider Trading" is illegal on Wall Street, yet our Congressmen rolled back a rule they place on themselves two years ago which stated they could not use legislation or the information they knew/know to make trades and profit from them.

That law was rolled back in the dead of night, with no one looking. You and I will go to jail if we're accused & convicted of insider trading - they on the other hand BENEFIT from it and laugh in our faces while they're at it.

Bastards all.

50 posted on 05/11/2013 8:10:40 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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