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Top DHS checkpoint refusals
youtube, various ^ | 2/25/13 | unknown

Posted on 02/27/2013 9:39:31 AM PST by GSWarrior

Know your rights.

Worth watching, IMO


TOPICS: Government; Society
KEYWORDS: checkpoints; constitution; dhs; dhscheckpoints
Not a hater of LEOs or anything but sometimes they are placed in situations that require them to act in an unfortunate manner.
1 posted on 02/27/2013 9:39:44 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior

later


2 posted on 02/27/2013 9:49:12 AM PST by Former MSM Viewer
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To: GSWarrior

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Just in case.


3 posted on 02/27/2013 9:49:31 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: GSWarrior

very fascinating. it seems pretty clear that the agents know they dont have the right to do what they are doing, and once challenged they back down.

could also be that the driver seems obviously to be a native of the US, and maybe they think it just isnt worth the hassle. i wonder if the same result wold have been if the driver spoke with a heavy accent.

scary look at the prison guard mentality in people


4 posted on 02/27/2013 9:55:09 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: GSWarrior

WHY wouldn’t anyone answer one question at a border checkpoint?
How should the agent determine if one has a legal right to be in our countrt?

The object of these checkpoints is to keep ILLEGALS out

The supremes ruled that a checkpoint within 75 miles of a border is like a border and anyone going through it must identify themselves the same as if it was the actual vorder.
the supremes ruled this asking for ID and if you are a citizen does NOT violate the 4th amendment

would these people rather have open borders/


5 posted on 02/27/2013 9:58:41 AM PST by RWGinger
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To: beebuster2000

Actually the SCOTUS ruled they DO have the right.


6 posted on 02/27/2013 10:06:46 AM PST by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger

The law as I understand it is a yawning gray area.

When you are at a border checkpoint you are technically not yet in the country. You are not considered in the country until after you have cleared customs. So your civil and constitutional rights appear to be stuck in no-man’s land.

And yet from what I understand they cannot actually deny you entrance if you are a US Citizen. Exactly when and how to push this I guess is the issue.


7 posted on 02/27/2013 10:07:59 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: GSWarrior

I enjoyed and learned from this video, thanks. I like the technique of responding with questions instead of answers such as “Am I being detained?” followed with “Am I free to go?” and pleading the Fifth.


8 posted on 02/27/2013 10:13:44 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: GSWarrior

For later.


9 posted on 02/27/2013 10:14:20 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: RWGinger

True, but the elephant in the room here is the Border Agent’s lack of instantaneous judgement that the driver is obviously fluent in English.. Let him go. This is like TSA doing a search on a disabled American baby in a stroller. ALL COMMON SENSE GOES OUT THE WINDOW IN THE NAME OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and treating everyone like criminal.


10 posted on 02/27/2013 10:17:54 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: GSWarrior

Aren’t there ways of going state-to-state by using roads without checkpoints instead of major highways where there is one?


11 posted on 02/27/2013 10:19:44 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: GSWarrior

BFL


12 posted on 02/27/2013 10:34:35 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

yes common sense goes out the window
BUT I am impressed with how polite the agents were in that vid
when they know these people are out to make them look stupid

I keep going back to the INTENT of the checkpoint which is to stop illegals
with that in mind why would Americans take some glee in making their jobs harder


13 posted on 02/27/2013 11:02:24 AM PST by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger

What good is a checkpoint 75 miles from the border. We have them 55 miles north on I-5 and 15. Once a year they stop some idiot with mj in their trunk. This is what we get for tens of millions in costs per year. Set up a checkpoint in sanctuary cities.


14 posted on 02/27/2013 11:09:48 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: RWGinger

I think most people (especially me) think authorities should patrol and secure the actual border, and not hassle citizens inside the United States. Many years ago the actual border was patrolled and fairly secure. The powers that be decided there was no need to patrol the actual border. It was decided that enforcement on major roads near (now up to 75+ miles from border) would be more effective. We all know how well that has worked out; illegal traffic does not need a major road. In practice once illegal traffic does make it to a major road it is nearly impossible to get them.


15 posted on 02/27/2013 11:12:24 AM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Yes in most areas there are ways around the checkpoints, smugglers surely know all of these routes. I am stunned that checkpoints away from the border in those areas catch anyone or anything but it does happen.


16 posted on 02/27/2013 11:18:11 AM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Yes in most areas there are ways around the checkpoints, smugglers surely know all of these routes. I am stunned that checkpoints away from the border in those areas catch anyone or anything but it does happen.


17 posted on 02/27/2013 11:18:35 AM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
"You are not considered in the country until after you have cleared customs. "

More correctly, you're not considered in the country until after have cleared immigration. First stop for arrivals is the immigration point of entry. After clearing immigration, you can collect your baggage and proceed to customs enforcement.
18 posted on 02/27/2013 11:33:05 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: beebuster2000

The problem is that Border Patrol Agents are not able to only ask people that violate the law questions. It’s called racial profiling. So they have to ask everybody. Unless of course you are me then you only stop people that are violating the law.


19 posted on 02/27/2013 11:43:46 AM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

You raise a good point. Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that happens with political correctness runs amok. There was a time when agents only asked for the citizenship of people that looked and acted like illegal aliens. To do so now days is considered racial profiling and agents are required to ask people they know very well aren’t foreigners or illegal aliens questions of citizenship.


20 posted on 02/27/2013 11:51:42 AM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

You are talking about actual border checkpoints, these people in the video are at Border Patrol checkpoints away from the border- you are already in the United States and in most cases you have not been out of the United States. Originally the checkpoints were on or close to the border, now they are on major roads up to 75+ miles from the border.

I think Border Patrol should be on the actual border, then no need to hassle US citizens that are simply traveling and have not been out of the US.


21 posted on 02/27/2013 12:02:01 PM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: beebuster2000

” it seems pretty clear that the agents know they dont have the right to do what they are doing, and once challenged they back down.”

I thought that was interesting too. The other thing is that even if they caught illegal aliens, apparently that’s not any hindrance to going your merry way in the US - in fact - it may make you more free than if you were a citizen.

I think inland checkpoints are a waste of everyones time.


22 posted on 02/27/2013 12:40:13 PM PST by RFEngineer
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Actial on the border checkpoints would work if all illegals would just enter through those checkpoints

but NO, they have to sneak across around unprotected areas.
Believe me in Texas alone millions sneak across ranchers lands. There are no border patrols on private lands.

BUT they also usually have to get to a road at some point which is how the inland check points came about
The checkpoints are usually at some natural confluence of lands so ht it kind of the small tip of a funnel.
Not a perfect solution but it does stop illegals and drugs


23 posted on 02/27/2013 12:41:39 PM PST by RWGinger
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To: GSWarrior

this is how they lock down the freeways. they will. look at all the interstates within these 100 mile zones. 2/3 of the population drives these freeways. it’s all about restricting us citizen internal travel.


24 posted on 02/27/2013 12:47:34 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: GSWarrior

bfl


25 posted on 02/27/2013 1:37:58 PM PST by SwankyC (NO PROGRESSIVES. This Means Liberals and Republicans! Same Thing.)
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To: RFEngineer
it seems pretty clear that the agents know they dont have the right to do what they are doing, and once challenged they back down.”

That isn't the case at all.

26 posted on 02/27/2013 2:51:04 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Ajnin; beebuster2000

you meant this for the original poster.


27 posted on 02/27/2013 3:54:40 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RWGinger

I did not mean checkpoints on the border; we already have Ports of Entry staffed by Customs for that. I mean Border Patrol needs to patrol the actual border and concentrate enforcement on the border. For a long time pre-1970s that is how it was done. Border Patrol patrolled the border and Customs had CPO officers that also patrolled the border. The border was more secure and citizens were rarely harassed.

The decision to move enforcement away from the border and to highlight roads “near” the border instead was supposedly to save money, hasn’t worked to secure the border and certainly hasn’t saved money. We are pouring money at the border and still not securing it. Hard to secure anything if you don’t designate a definite area and secure it.

At one time there was an easement along the border for the purpose of patrolling the border, there were at one time horseback riders that patrolled the border mostly to keep livestock from crossing with diseases. In some areas there were horseback patrol riders on the border to interdict human traffic and drugs until the 1970s. My brother-in-law was one of the last CPO horse patrol officers in the US. There are still CPO officers on a reservation in AZ, but I don’t think they still use horses. Border Patrol has horse patrols now but they don’t stay on the border, in fact they are rarely on the actual border. In many areas there still is an easement but it is controlled by the Bureau of Land Management- Department of Interior and they either keep Border Patrol off it citing environmental concerns or charge Border Patrol to use it, in the form of “fees” or “fines” or whatever they call it for damage supposedly done to the area next to the border. This is insane, we need to designate our border as an area to secure, clear an easement and patrol and secure it. Nothing else makes sense.

I think a defined easement for the purpose of patrolling the border should be in effect the length of the border, and Border Patrol should patrol the actual border.

I know how it is done now, but it has not always been done that way. The way it is done now is obviously not effective at securing the border and harasses citizens without need.

If you think the checkpoints on roads is effective at stopping illegals and drugs why do we have such an issue with both?


28 posted on 02/27/2013 4:06:16 PM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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