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Christopher Dorner may save more lives than he could ever have taken
Coach is Right ^ | 2/15/13 | Doug Book

Posted on 02/15/2013 10:09:54 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

“Since 1989, the world has witnessed a progressive weakening of the state and rise of alternative, non-state primary loyalties, for which a growing number of men are willing to fight.” This is what military affairs expert William S. Lind calls the heart of his theory of the Fourth Generation of Modern Warfare (4GW). And there can be no better example of a “primary loyalty” than the right to keep and bear arms. (1)

The days of the massive, invulnerable armies of the nation-state winning contests with lesser opponents at the drop of a hat are over. Consider the fact that the most powerful military in the world was unable to roundly defeat the rag-tag forces of Afghanistan and Iraq as wars which should have taken a matter of weeks have stretched into years.

“Fourth Generation Warfare is based on dispersion and communications that remove the battle front entirely. Attackers rely on...

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TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 4gw; banglist; california; christopherdorner; constitution; guncontrol; massmurderer

1 posted on 02/15/2013 10:09:57 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax
The Point:

IF the left is capable of learning anything from the Christopher Dorner example it should be that several million American gun owners and freedom lovers acting independently or in small groups and dedicated to the defense of their own liberty would constitute a force with which neither the nation’s police nor even its military could contend. And untold numbers of those working to overthrow the Constitution would lose their lives.

2 posted on 02/15/2013 10:18:24 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun
several million American gun owners and freedom lovers acting independently or in small groups and dedicated to the defense of their own liberty would constitute a force with which neither the nation’s police nor even its military could contend.

I'd be inclined to agree if those freedom lovers were working in concert. But apart from that, there seems to be more of a likelihood that it will just increase the number of people who die, holed up in the basement of a burning house surrounded by a SWAT team. I'm no fan of the murderer Dorner, or say, the fanatic, David Koresh, but the outcome of Waco seems to be gaining popularity with law enforcement.

3 posted on 02/15/2013 10:29:26 AM PST by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: TexasCajun

Been trying to explain this to my wife.

100 million gun owners.

25% compliance with any confiscation effort.

Leaves 75 million armed.

With only 20% of those willing to fight initially, those 15 million will inspire the remaining 60 million.

Law enforcement and military would be split 50/50.

This is why liberals will take the long road to disarmament.


4 posted on 02/15/2013 10:30:10 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: TexasCajun
so the young woman just is collateral damage?....have we dropped down so far that ambushing and killing an innocent young couple for NOTHING that either of them have done is explainable and rationalized?....

not me.....evil is evil....

5 posted on 02/15/2013 10:37:53 AM PST by cherry
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To: Oldpuppymax

The challenges of putting down a guerilla insurgency predate Iraq and Afghanistan. The best case study to consider is actually the one where Robert E. Lee doesn’t surrender the Army of Northern Virginia and instead orders them to disperse and take to the hills to continue the War ... with Joe Johnston following suit.

Had that happened, we’d still be fighting today. Lots of people play up Lincoln and to a lesser degree Grant as the savior(s) of the Union ... when just as strong a case can be made for Lee.


6 posted on 02/15/2013 10:38:19 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: G Larry

Good points.
But don’t forget that the act of disarmenment also effects the psychology of those disarmed. Not just the ability to resist, but the willingness to resist.

Armed men know they retain a level of control over their lives. As they say, “The worst they can do is to kill me, but they will never enslave me.”

The disarmed don’t have that option. They can be enslaved AND killed and, ultimately, they know it. It affects how they react to all other infringements in their lives.


7 posted on 02/15/2013 10:38:40 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: GeronL

ping regarding discussion of hero worship of Dorner, even with the wink an nod ‘of course he was wrong’ while going gaga over what he did.


8 posted on 02/15/2013 10:39:21 AM PST by mnehring
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To: newheart

With both Dorner and Waco, the cops/feds only had to contend with bullets coming from in front of them.


9 posted on 02/15/2013 10:45:18 AM PST by Bob
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To: SJSAMPLE
The disarmed don’t have that option.

Yep. Happily, their ranks have thinned considerably in the last 4 years:)

10 posted on 02/15/2013 10:56:56 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Oldpuppymax

This article is remarkably poorly written. Of course the US military could easily overcome the forces of Iraq and Afghanistan, and they did. What they couldn’t do is indefinitely occupy and easily prop up puppet governments. This is so because insurgents can trade their lives for out money. Each piece of equipment and each USican life Costa us loads, and at some point it stops being worth it. Similarly, they also trade lives for negative MSM coverage back home, which more than the cost is what lost us Vietnam.

However, this was always so. How silly for this article to pretend differently. The big difference between now and before is that rich countries don’t fight eachother anymore, so all wars have the flavor of colonial wars. If we went to war with China—forgetting nukes for a second—it’d be like WWII again. The reason the big guys don’t fight anymore, I think, is nukes. God bless the prospect of horrible destruction.


11 posted on 02/15/2013 10:59:35 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: tanknetter

The Civil War was carried on by other means, according to a certain interpretation of Jesse James, the KKK, moonshiners versus revenoors, etc.


12 posted on 02/15/2013 11:04:04 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Oldpuppymax
The first ten thousand resisters will have to be willing to die, and will certainly do so.

After that, the tide will turn rapidly.

13 posted on 02/15/2013 11:30:24 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: Tublecane

Yes, but never to a level approaching that of even a small but robust insurgency.


14 posted on 02/15/2013 11:36:23 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: mnehring

I wouldn’t call it going gaga, but rather sober reflection and assessment.


15 posted on 02/15/2013 11:38:29 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: mnehring

This has nothing to do with Dorner. If authorities were after the devil himself I wouldn’t allow them more license than for the next suspect. You trivialize wrongs done by the cops by framing it as us worshiping the irrelevant Dorner.


16 posted on 02/15/2013 11:49:09 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Oldpuppymax

And monkeys may fly out of my butt.


17 posted on 02/15/2013 11:50:50 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: tanknetter

I believe that Lee was trying to get Britain to intervene, to come in on his side. Had he done what you suggest, it would have been very different, wouldn’t it?

I don’t know how that would have worked with Sherman though.


18 posted on 02/15/2013 11:59:14 AM PST by CPO retired
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To: mnehring

This article, despite the headline, had nothing good to say about Dorner. It wasn’t really even about that guy. It was about how unprepared and unable this country is going to be to fight an asymmetrical civil war should it try to confiscate firearms and shred the second amendment.

The article suggests that a lot of people are a lot more loyal to the second amendment and the Constitution than they are to the government itself.


19 posted on 02/15/2013 12:01:25 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: cherry

You don’t understand “collateral damage.” The ambushing and killing was not collateral. It was deliberate murder.


20 posted on 02/15/2013 12:05:49 PM PST by satan (sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Oldpuppymax

bflr


21 posted on 02/15/2013 12:19:31 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: newheart
I'd be inclined to agree if those freedom lovers were working in concert. But apart from that, there seems to be more of a likelihood that it will just increase the number of people who die, holed up in the basement of a burning house surrounded by a SWAT team.

Dorner did not work in concert with others because he couldn't find anyone who'd "work" with him. However will you work with your neighbors if necessary? Will they work with you? My neighbors certainly will. A $3 laser pointer makes a great long range, secure communication device at night. Diring the day you only need binoculars for a similarly secure communication. Ham radio and, to lesser extent, FRS are also usable - they can be operated at a very low power, so they can't be reliably detected from a larger distance. If you have QPSK or MFSK then the JBTs will be at *complete* loss, not even mentioning that the upper layer can be secured with real, bulletproof crypto. Even the ancient 5-bit RTTY cannot be interpreted by the ear; but in most cases JBTs will not have any radio intelligence - they are just simple cannon fodder. You will be able to communicate on 144/430 MHz NBFM and none of them would know.

22 posted on 02/15/2013 12:37:16 PM PST by Greysard
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To: cherry
not me.....evil is evil....

Then what was Jesus on the Cross? The ultimate evil: the killing of the ultimate innocent, by the depraved.
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But was that good?

23 posted on 02/15/2013 7:57:31 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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