Posted on 02/04/2013 2:26:43 PM PST by virgil283
“In this era of mass incarceration, the police shouldn’t be trusted any more than any other witness, perhaps less so. That may sound harsh, but numerous law enforcement officials have put the matter more bluntly. . . . Police departments have been rewarded in recent years for the sheer numbers of stops, searches and arrests. In the war on drugs, federal grant programs like the Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grant Program have encouraged state and local law enforcement agencies to boost drug arrests in order to compete for millions of dollars in funding. Agencies receive cash rewards for arresting high numbers of people for drug offenses, no matter how minor the offenses or how weak the evidence. Law enforcement has increasingly become a numbers game. And as it has, police officers’ tendency to regard procedural rules as optional and to lie and distort the facts has grown as well. Numerous scandals involving police officers lying or planting drugs — in Tulia, Tex. and Oakland, Calif., for example — have been linked to federally funded drug task forces eager to keep the cash rolling in. . . .
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The DA, prosecutors and the cops investigate themselves?
How screwed up is this? It's like the DOJ or Congress investigation themselves.
The government prosecutors, DA and cops etc., party, go to dinner and bump bellies with each other... Courts for the most part work hand in hand with law enforcement and many will do an say anything for a conviction or to, "Win" at all costs..And they decide which laws to enforce and which to ignore? It's a very sad situation.
There are serious cracks in the foundation folks..Big government became way too big, too intrusive and way too controlling.
Just a generation or two ago, people for the most part trusted government and did not feel controlled or consumed by it. People waved at the local deputy or police officer. Now, the lack of trust regarding those in government is wide spread and escalating for good reason. Just look at their bosses, those in Congress, the courts, DOJ and all the other alphabet agencies.
We have government water and power employees and cops making hundreds of thousands a years and then they collect lottery style tax paid government pensions on top of this?
All this while private sector America has been beat like a drum and economically gang raped by bad and corrupt government policies?
The majority of private sector middle class America have just had enough of this bull sh*t.
You don’t know if he is embellishing, or even telling the truth, yet, you choose to believe him when he tells you that most, if not all, cops are liars. Telling you what you want to hear.
Also, doesn’t say much for your integrity if you choose people with no integrity as friends. Should I give that a “Duh”??
Go ahead and “Duh” me! Can’t say I don’t agree. I got sick of the attitude and we haven’t met up for several months. If there is a “funny” aspect: I always taunted him about trusting cops. He told me that the longer he was separated from the force, the more he agreed with me. The view from the inside vs. the view from the outside, I guess.
Sorry, it’s not a perfect world and no one I know is perfect.
“you choose to believe him when he tells you that most, if not all, cops are liars. Telling you what you want to hear.”
Actually, I didn’t say that. Maybe you should focus more on what is actually said vs. what offends you. “Most, if not all” is not what I said and is an obvious misrepresentation of my post. Since anyone can scroll back to see, why bother?
The violator is ragging on the cop writing him a ticket accusing him of
doing it because of a quota system.
Officer replies along the lines of, 'They did away with the quota system.
We can write all the tickets we want to now.'
There’s plenty of non-nonsensical gun laws, (16 in. rifle barrels vs 18” shotgun barrels, no cheap noise suppressors to save old folk’s hearing, etc.) that tend to cause Police Riots during enforcement (Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc.).
This public sector mentality goes a long way in explaining why collectivists can't/won't be educated by private sector logic. The fundamental worldviews are incompatible.
The private sector definition of success (results) is not the public sector definition. The individual defines success as finishing a task, with "finishing" being a state of natural balance, harmony, and peace. That is, the best solution is one that works smoothly in the real world in concert with other individuals, not one that must beat the real world into submission.
The public sector solution is to perpetuate strife, discord and dysfunction precisely because it guarantees the need for more "solutions". This is why the welfare state is considered [by those with the collectivist worldview] to be such a success i.e. worthy of unlimited funding. The abject fraud, dependency, chaos, and corruption are necessary elements to keep the perpetual motion rat-wheel spinning. There is no peace, says the Lord, for the wicked.
Perpetual strife is the true nature of the left's "sustainable energy" mantra, or for that matter, any of their so-called solutions. The gun-grabbers, for example, speak of peace (they lie) in order to intentionally generate chaos, whereas the 2A defenders' goal is to engender true peace, either by being left alone (armed citizens make criminals perform a cost-benefit analysis on their career choices), or by having the means to defend against lawless, violent two-legged vermin.
The free man holds a viceral disdain for that rat-wheel. The slave is eager to jump on board, so he can "look busy".
Plenty of peaceful, lawful citizens have had run-ins with the types of coppers who behave like rats. Sure seems like these days that police departments are hiring based on a dystopian "fitness" standard.
If it was traffic court, the judges are definitely part of the problem. The fines they impose, help support the municipal government which appointed them.
Sad to say, some self-professed "conservatives" claim to lack trust in the government but really mean "I lack trust in the government when it's doing things I don't like, but I place trust in the government when it's doing things I like (such as conducting the War on Drugs)."
I think your frustration is from seeing the problem with ‘law enforcement’ -vs- ‘gestapo’
Most conservatives are law abiding and like a police force to maintain law and order (like on Andy of Mayberry) Meaning we LIKE the police. (Disclaimer: my son is an officer- one of the good ones)
But too many times the government is overreaching and USING law enforcement to its advantage, and some of them act like gestapo relishing this role.
When the SHTF those people will be the first to fire on the civilians, so you are right to be concerned.
“City””Police” are NOTHING more than HIRLINGS and REVENUE Generators for the TOADS who “RUN” Cities! The ONLY LEGITAMATE “Law Enforcment” in the COUNTY SHERRIFF!
Sad to say, some self-professed "conservatives" claim to lack trust in the government but really mean "I lack trust in the government when it's doing things I don't like, but I place trust in the government when it's doing things I like (such as conducting the War on Drugs)."
Most conservatives are law abiding and like a police force to maintain law and order (like on Andy of Mayberry) Meaning we LIKE the police. (Disclaimer: my son is an officer- one of the good ones)
But too many times the government is overreaching and USING law enforcement to its advantage, and some of them act like gestapo relishing this role.
And too many self-professed "conservatives" cheer (or at least turn a blind eye to) gestapo-ism when it comes to government overreaching they like, such as the War on Drugs - not seeing that gestapo-ism undermines legitimate law enforcement.
Say rather peace officers vs. Law Enforcement.
Peace Officers are those charged with keeping the peace and protecting the Constitution—these conservatives can support with a clean conscience.
LEOs are to enforce the laws without prejudice—good laws; bad laws.
The latter are those who will be willing to fire on conservatives.
Wrong. It is pointing out the dangerous mindset of the LEO, as opposed to the Peace Officer.
Peace officers should want their corrupt brethren to be exposed and condemned.
LEOs object to the exposure, lest their own deeds become exposed.
“In 2010, a New York City police officer named Adil Polanco told a local ABC News reporter that ‘our primary job is not to help anybody, our primary job is not to assist anybody, our primary job is to get those numbers and come back with them.’”
This is precisely the opposite of what Robert Peel taught in his principles.
“I am tired of the singularities thrown about as proof”
I am tired of people that either refuse to acknowledge the stacks of stories of the same or are just simply ignorant of them claiming every other cop is honest.
“I object to drawing broad conclusions from individual examples.”
Why don’t you show us an example where a lying cop was exposed through testimony by other cops that crossed “the blue line” and the lying cop was properly prosecuted? For every single one of these “individual examples” we don’t see that.
If you talk they can claim "knowing more" and can bring charges to get their truth.
If you say nothing they cannot make false claims against you to a grand jury.
They will spin every single word you say, "every single word".
Most evidence is almost always never enough to convict unless you plea for innocence.
The best defense is always, STFU. It's a legal right they cannot blame you for.
Just a few thoughts.
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