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Refusal to Allow Smart Meter cause for Arrest
The Blaze ^ | 1/24/13 | Pleistarchos

Posted on 01/24/2013 7:57:31 PM PST by Pleistarchos

This is one brave woman, People like this put many of us to shame for our failure to act. Appropriately her last name means 'steel' in German.

"Jennifer Stahl has been a strong advocate against the smart meter program in Naperville, Ill., for the last two years. The issue came to a head Wednesday afternoon when she was arrested while refusing to let the utility workers install the controversial device....

Stahl was at a friend’s house when she received the call from her husband that the utility workers had arrived. She was home within 15 minutes and saw they were at a neighbor’s house. Her neighbors were not home, but they had signs stating they did not permit the new meter to be installed......

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1 posted on 01/24/2013 7:57:34 PM PST by Pleistarchos
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To: Pleistarchos

If it were forced upon me, I’d probably discontinue my relationship with the power company, and force them to take their property with them. I’d power my home in some other way.


2 posted on 01/24/2013 8:02:09 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

All the alleged “Smart Meter” does is send the readings to the power company instead of a meter reader once a month. What is it you think the “Smart Meter” does?

Granted they know your useage in current time opposed to once a month, but so what.

I think this stuff about “Smart Meter” is contrived tin foil hat crap. Only negative thing I can see about it is some poor guy/gal lost their meter reading job.


3 posted on 01/24/2013 8:09:14 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Pleistarchos

What exactly does this thing do? I read the article but it never really mentioned.

Is it just a replacement for an older style of electric usage meter?


4 posted on 01/24/2013 8:11:24 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: rockinqsranch

I don’t think the power companies are so insistent on installing them because they are good for us. I’d rather ante up $60000 for solar power, rather than be tracked.


5 posted on 01/24/2013 8:13:07 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

Well if you have natural gas and can afford it, you can always go with your own generator and opt out of the system, just be prepared to spend the money on maintenance,repair and replacement as I don’t believe the systems are rated for non stop year round use.


6 posted on 01/24/2013 8:13:26 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Pleistarchos

It’s my understanding these “smart meters” work on wireless transmission similar to cellular that allows them to be in constant contact with the power company. I imagine some heavy metallic “remodeling” in the area of the antenna would render them useless.


7 posted on 01/24/2013 8:13:33 PM PST by apillar
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To: warsaw44

It’s supposed to allow the power company to shut down power to your house remotely, among other things.

But, they have issues. The readings can be way off, there’s a chance the shut-off signal could be hacked. but mainly, it’s about who decides what goes on your property, you or them?


8 posted on 01/24/2013 8:14:37 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: rockinqsranch

One of the problems to homeowners is that the power company will have ability to control your thermostat.


9 posted on 01/24/2013 8:15:36 PM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: Jonty30

Good luck with that.


10 posted on 01/24/2013 8:15:50 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Pleistarchos
From the comments section:

Why be a martyr? This isn’t the civil rights movement where you have the tide of society and the media in your favor. There will be no university hunger strikes, or long 60 minutes episode on you, the jailed. As far as the global enthusiasts and the media are concerned, going to jail for a smart meter means your an unenlightened right winger that deserves to rot there.

Instead let them put the meter on your property. Say nothing. Then go buy 200,000 volt stun gun. When the stun gun is placed at the meter’s metallic base and triggered it takes about 2 seconds to turn an expensive smart meter into a pile of non-functional junk. After the meter mysteriously shorts out every month, they will go back to the old meter. If they do an investigation…consider your activities good training in subterfuge.

11 posted on 01/24/2013 8:15:57 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: Ellendra

Him, I like.


12 posted on 01/24/2013 8:19:35 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Ellendra

Every effective political movement has two parts: those who protest openly and those who subvert covertly.


13 posted on 01/24/2013 8:23:32 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: warsaw44

The new meters, among other “features”, allow anyone in control of the meter to remotely turn off the electricity to your house.


14 posted on 01/24/2013 8:23:39 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Rex Anderson
One of the problems to homeowners is that the power company will have ability to control your thermostat.

I have heard that before but I don't see how it would work, nothing on an outside "smart" meter could affect only your central heat, short of cutting all power to your residence. Now if there is a special thermostat they want to install that would an entirely different issue (and easy enough to circumvent as you can override the thermostat entirely by fiddling with a couple wires in your furnace - I had a bad thermostat once and being too cheap to replace it I wired up a simple $2 Radioshack on/off toggle switch). Not to mention you could always easily circumvent any power company meddling just by purchasing a couple plug in space heaters.

15 posted on 01/24/2013 8:24:32 PM PST by apillar
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To: Jonty30
" ...rather than be tracked. "

And controlled.

16 posted on 01/24/2013 8:26:24 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Pleistarchos

In San Diego you can refuse them but you have to pay extra for their power.

I personally like it, I have a rental and when a tennant moves out I call SDG&E and with a computer entry they are billed and the bill is shifted to my account.


17 posted on 01/24/2013 8:28:09 PM PST by dalereed
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To: warsaw44

I think the end game here is to make you pay more for power when demand is high, like on hot days, when you need it.

And when it is more expensive for the utility.

Follow the money.


18 posted on 01/24/2013 8:28:50 PM PST by glasseye
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To: apillar

The more sophisticated Smart Meters have a second wireless system designed to be used to communicate with “smart” devices in your house, like the thermostat (or the gov’t microphones).


19 posted on 01/24/2013 8:28:50 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Pleistarchos
Need AC? Don't want "smart meters"?


20 posted on 01/24/2013 8:31:03 PM PST by Dallas59 (America died a little bit more on 11/6/2012)
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To: rockinqsranch; All
What is it you think the “Smart Meter” does?

Quite awhile ago, one anti-smart meter rumor claimed that when meters sent data that they were possibly a radiation hazard, arguably similar in concept to unknown long-term effects of using cell phone.

21 posted on 01/24/2013 8:31:33 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Rex Anderson; Jonty30

The “Smart Meter” has nothing to do with controlling anything. It’s only a unit similar to the old meters, but can transmit the useage information directly to the Electricity supplier for billing opposed to a meter reader coming on your property to read the meter once a month.

The “reader” lost his/her job, and that translates into BIG savings for the Electric supply company.

We like it as it means we don’t have to leave our gates open for the meter reading once a month.

There is an option available you can have the electric supply company install a device on your a/c if you wish to have them control your electrical useage during the hot Summer months thus, decrease useage, and decrease your electrical costs, but that’s totally separate from the “Smart Meter”. NOW THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO INSTALL ON MY A/C as I will control my useage, and my comfort level, not someone with a chart in an air conditioned office they don’t have to pay the costs for.


22 posted on 01/24/2013 8:31:44 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Rex Anderson
One of the problems to homeowners is that the power company will have ability to control your thermostat.

They do already. It's called the off switch. During the coldest days a couple years ago, they feared too much power was going to be used so they randomly were switching off power for 20 minutes throughout the area. Problem was, they'd either forget to turn it back on or when they did the surge blew transmitters. I don't think they'll be doing that again anytime soon.

23 posted on 01/24/2013 8:33:23 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Pleistarchos

I have smart meter wish they would allow me to see my bill online and pay there now. The woman is a moron.


24 posted on 01/24/2013 8:34:31 PM PST by the_daug
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To: rockinqsranch

“All the alleged “Smart Meter” does is send the readings to the power company instead of a meter reader once a month.”

Are you simply misinformed, or are you a propagandist for a power company?


25 posted on 01/24/2013 8:34:52 PM PST by PAR35
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To: apillar

>> I imagine some heavy metallic “remodeling” in the area of the antenna would render them useless.<<

I am 99.99% sure that when the little Borg Minion realizes it has been severed from the Collective it ceases to provide power to the house.


26 posted on 01/24/2013 8:35:30 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: Rex Anderson

The smart meters install around here just allow them to read the meter remotely. Your thermostat is not connected in any to the meter. There is a separate device that is not wire to the thermostat but to just the AC unit. I had one in my last house and got a 20% discount on my electricity in the summer months. They had no idea what my thermostat settings were. I had and older non-digital one at the time. During high use times they could turn off the power to just AC and it would be just for an hour. I didn’t cool my whole house most of the time and rarely turned the main AC on. I had a room size AC installed in my bedroom and cooled just that room. It was plugged into the wall and it could not be turned off.

The problem with smart meters is they can read them every 15 minutes and can tell when you are using electricity. The possibility is they will try to charge you more if you use too much at certain times. .


27 posted on 01/24/2013 8:36:15 PM PST by ThomasThomas
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To: apillar
Most people don't realize that when you sign up for any public utility, your are essentially signing away a large portion of you property rights in the process. The utility has the legal right to access you property anytime of day or night without your consent and, as this women found out, they aren't shy about using police force if necessary. (and many are also paid government snitches, peeping in you windows for drugs and any other contraband, but that's another topic)

Of course they pretty much have you over a barrel unless you either plan to live like the Amish or are wealthy enough to afford your well/septic tank and means of power generation (that doesn't involve a utility connection -- I.E. Natural Gas). In fact that isn't even an option because many places FORCE you to take city water and sewer if available.

28 posted on 01/24/2013 8:36:52 PM PST by apillar
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To: Amendment10

“Quite awhile ago, one anti-smart meter rumor claimed that when meters sent data that they were possibly a radiation hazard, arguably similar in concept to unknown long-term effects of using cell phone.”

AW GEEEEEZ! Too many love their tin foil. I don’t know if it’s the result of their creativeness with that material, or if they are just nuts.


29 posted on 01/24/2013 8:37:48 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

You are correct. All these meters do is allow the utility company to read your meter without coming onto your property. If the power company wants to turn off your power they can do it with the old meter.


30 posted on 01/24/2013 8:39:08 PM PST by Ditter
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To: PAR35

I’m a retired Horse corral cleaner. I know what that stuff is. :)


31 posted on 01/24/2013 8:41:15 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: apillar
"Not to mention you could always easily circumvent any power company meddling just by purchasing a couple plug in space heaters."

Except that eventually, the smart meters will interface with smart appliances so not only will your minute by minute usage be tracked, those that care to will know exactly what your usage is for...

32 posted on 01/24/2013 8:41:25 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: rockinqsranch

http://www.refusesmartmeters.com/page10.html


33 posted on 01/24/2013 8:41:46 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone Independent. Gone.)
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To: Jonty30

They never asked our permission when we built our house they just installed it. We were actually relieved when we figured it out because we have a gated driveway and don’ t like to have to worry about service people having access to the property.


34 posted on 01/24/2013 8:41:59 PM PST by Eva
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To: Jonty30

***** “If it were forced upon me, I’d probably discontinue my relationship with the power company, and force them to take their property with them. I’d power my home in some other way.” *****

I just came home one day and it was there ... couple months later new Gas Meter too

But option “B” (as you mentioned) is in my prep plan anyway

TT


35 posted on 01/24/2013 8:52:18 PM PST by TexasTransplant (This needs to go viral http://vimeo.com/52009124 please watch it)
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To: Pleistarchos

Just don’t do business with the electric utility.


36 posted on 01/24/2013 8:52:32 PM PST by fso301
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To: glasseye

Labor is increasingly expensive - especially now with Obamacare. The other side of the argument is that the reduced costs can either be passed on to the users in rate reductions or lower rate increases.


37 posted on 01/24/2013 8:54:49 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: rockinqsranch
All the alleged “Smart Meter” does is send the readings to the power company instead of a meter reader once a month. What is it you think the “Smart Meter” does?

I used to work for a smart meter manufacturer. There were lots of discussions on how the information collected by the meter/system could be utilized and possibly sold as other revenue streams.

One particular meeting involved a couple of reps from an insurance company. Their interest was about developing patterns of homeowners. One of the possible scenarios was identifying people that consistently saw a spike in power usage in the home around the 2am to 3am timeframe on Fridays and Saturdays only. Something that could be triggered by a person coming back from a bar or club.

While there are some benefits that could be gained in certain areas such as remote shut-off valves in the case of an earthquake, a sudden spike in usage which could be a sign of a leak, etc.; I personally wouldn't be interested in having one om my home.

38 posted on 01/24/2013 9:12:13 PM PST by voicereason (The RNC is the "One-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: rockinqsranch
This reply is not meant to harass or other wise insult.

Was listening to a program ref:“Smart Meter(s).”

I'm not saying that the below is true or false, as this is all new to me, and have not had a chance to personally verify said information.

No.#-1: Heard allegations of problems to people with implanted Heart Defibrillators.

No.#-2: Allegations of the "Radio Waves-?" (can't remember the exact word used, maybe "RFID") affecting sensitive people.

No.#-2: False Marketing to the people, ref: cheaper cost if they sign up for off peak usage, then rip the consumer a new one per hour @ approx $4.00 per PEAK kilowatt hour usage.

Lot's of other things mentioned, but if they can track When / Where / How much / Hour-Minute-Second(s) in REAL TIME / Volume of usage, without any NOTICE, I'd say there's a very BIG PROBLEM with SMART Snitch Meter's, and that's just the start of what I can remember.

Hey, I know that America is ready to let Senator Feinstein. Feinstein, to enter their homes & check for Ulgy Guns, why not to make sure that your not using say and old incandescent light bulb, via SMART Snitch Meter's.

39 posted on 01/24/2013 9:16:01 PM PST by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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To: rockinqsranch

“All the alleged “Smart Meter” does is send the readings to the power company instead of a meter reader once a month.”

The ones here don’t even do that. They simply broadcast a short range signal that is collected by the meter reader who drives through the neighborhood and captures the data on a receiver/computer instead of having to walk around and read each one.


40 posted on 01/24/2013 9:19:41 PM PST by Rebelbase ( .223, .224, whatever it takes....)
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To: Rebelbase

http://www.smartmeterdangers.org/index.php/smart-meter-questions-answers


41 posted on 01/24/2013 9:22:17 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone Independent. Gone.)
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To: bgill

Same thing happened here in TX last summer...they had just installed all the smart meters and they decided to try the rolling black out thing where they shut off your power for a few minutes in the middle of the night if they start to get near capacity...it blew a bunch of transformers as well...


42 posted on 01/24/2013 9:38:10 PM PST by willyd (Don't shoot, we're Republicans!)
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To: Jonty30
"I’d rather ante up $60000 for solar power, rather than be tracked."

Ahh OK but the only difference in a present day "Smart Meter" and a normal meter is now your usage is sent via signal to a digital recording device rather than someone physically walking up to your meter and reading the display and writing it down.

So the only real difference is that you are still tracked it just takes less manpower to do it. Which is going to reduce the need for the company to raise rates to pay for people who are doing a job a a tiny black box can do more efficiently.

43 posted on 01/24/2013 9:49:39 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: rockinqsranch
"I think this stuff about “Smart Meter” is contrived tin foil hat crap."

You're probably right.

44 posted on 01/24/2013 9:51:57 PM PST by davisfh
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To: Rex Anderson
"One of the problems to homeowners is that the power company will have ability to control your thermostat."

No, you are thinking of the "Smart Grid" a Smart Meter is just a meter that is read via a signal rather than a guy physically walking on your property and reading it.

45 posted on 01/24/2013 9:52:46 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Pleistarchos

One of the options this technology opens up is if they have a minute-by-minute report of your usage.

Many utility companies charge their industrial customers different for different times of the day based on overall demand.

It may charge more for afternoon usage during the summer when A/C demand is highest.

This can benefit businesses that run factory equipment during third shift.

The electric company can now start charging different rates for different times of the day.


46 posted on 01/24/2013 9:52:46 PM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (As long as America's tolerence of failure is not overwhelmed by a desire to succeed, we will fail.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Then you haven’t read the crap the power company sends you.

You know, sign up w/ them and you can save as much as $100 a summer b/c you give them the authority to regulate (turn on or turn off) your a/c b/c of the electrical load.

Like hell.


47 posted on 01/24/2013 9:52:57 PM PST by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: rockinqsranch

My elderly parents were getting threatening phone calls from the power company during the summer for several years, telling them not to use their A/C during certain time periods. They don’t even HAVE a smart meter! It took me 4-5 calls to get them to stop upsetting my parents.


48 posted on 01/24/2013 10:12:26 PM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Rex Anderson

One of the problems to homeowners is that the power company will have ability to control your thermostat.

Only if you don’t pay your power bill, then they cut off your power, the smart meters allows the company to read your meter remotely instead of the meter reader having to enter the reading manually, also in case of a power outage, the company knows what area the power is out, save a lot of time and money not having to drive around looking for downed wires and such. the meter operate on the same system as cell phones and wireless routers that most of us have already, so I don’t see any problems there, I guess fear of new things and lack of knowledge is the fear factor for some people, anyway, not to worry


49 posted on 01/24/2013 10:15:18 PM PST by munin
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To: rockinqsranch
Pulled this off the FAQ page from AGL Energy Co. in Australia. At least they put it out there honestly.

It’s possible that in the future, a new tariff may be introduced and will apply to you after your new Smart Meter is installed. These new tariffs could be designed to reflect the cost of supplying energy at different times of day. In this scenario, a high consumption customer who uses energy during peak times is likely to pay more for their electricity than a high consumption customer who uses energy during off-peak times.

This is off PG&E's FAQ page. Not nearly as honest but it basically says the same thing.

E-1 rate schedule is for low-usage customers or those who cannot shift their electricity use.

E-6 is an optional time-of-use rate schedule for individually metered customers who can minimize their loads during defined time periods.

In the future, SmartMeter™ technology will allow PG&E to create more options in pricing plans where energy is billed at different prices during different times of the day. With more options, you will be able to choose a rate plan that helps your household save money and benefit the environment.

SmartMeters™ are also the first step in a larger Smart Grid effort that is driving a new green technology industry in California. There is no one single idea or technology that will get us to the Smart Grid in one fell swoop. Rather, it’s a series of small steps and incremental advancements. It may seem like a lot, but in a decade, we’ll all be shocked at how far we’ve come. The actions we take now are in preparation for technologies and developments we haven’t yet fathomed. The Smart Grid will help us keep pace.

Small steps and incremental advances. Sound familiar? Yep, we'll be shocked all right.

50 posted on 01/24/2013 10:22:57 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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