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It's time patriots declare Victory in the 2nd Amendment war
Coach is Right ^ | 1/11/13 | Doug Book

Posted on 01/11/2013 8:39:36 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

Though it’s doubtful anyone will hear much about it, neither lawmakers, judges or even a president has the constitutional authority to infringe upon the inalienable right of the American people to keep and bear arms.

One hundred thirty eight years ago, the Supreme Court wrote that the right to keep and bear arms “…is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.” (1)

The case was the United States v Cruikshank and the Court made it clear that the right to keep and bear arms is an inalienable right, God-given and independent of any mandatory approbation by men or their laws for its force and legitimacy

The Founders were so certain as to the absolute nature of these inalienable rights in the Bill of Rights that Alexander Hamilton suggested in Federalist No. 84 that it was unnecessary even to make them a part of the written Constitution. “For why declare that...

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1 posted on 01/11/2013 8:39:43 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

While everyone talks about defending the 2A rights Obama is a step ahead with his people discouraging any organized militia efforts.
The culmination of the 2A is to have a well trained and equipped militia, so far people have yet to be well trained.

Its one thing to stand your ground based upon 2A, its another to follow through with the full interpretation. And so far Obama is making a big show with one hand while the other is searching out start up militias, infiltrating them and then planting bogus evidence to bust them open with the goal of creating negative propaganda.


2 posted on 01/11/2013 8:46:35 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I just tried to buy .223 ammo. in bulk. Many places are out of stock. They also are out of stock for .30 M1 carbine ammo. This is amazing.


3 posted on 01/11/2013 8:52:57 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I don’t think this fight will ever be over, once & for all, until the communists are completely purged from the United States of America. And maybe not even then.
Joe McCarthy should have been allowed to finish the job & we, as a nation, should not have let our guard down as long as there was still a single communist country on the planet. (Actually, it’s worse than this. As we allowed the atheists to purge God from our schools & public spaces- & censorship of deviancy & violence was incrementally eroded away, we were kidding ourselves that we were still keeping communism at bay. We knew what the plan was. We had it in writing & it wasn’t ambiguous. Our Congress people should have *known* that people like Bill Ayers- known terrorists, were running “foundations”, NGOs, & “think tanks”, often receiving federal funds. Why did they allow it?)


4 posted on 01/11/2013 8:53:31 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: Oldpuppymax
Of course I consider the matter settled, but that doesn't mean the Roberts court will, also.

We have a SCOTUS that really no longer cares much for precedent.

5 posted on 01/11/2013 8:56:47 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Oldpuppymax
Sadly, I don't think we'll ever be able to "declare vistory".

It's like owning ocean-front property and having the sea eat away at your beach, eroding your back yard. You have to stay at it - you have to keep fighting it else one day you'll wake up to find your back porch drops off into the ocean.

I believe the fight will be eternal - and so we need to keep recruiting and training new soldiers in our army.
Take someone shooting with you. Take someone hunting. Pass our passion (and your weapons) down to your children and make them understand why it's important.
When they ask why, you have only to show them the news of the day. The truth of it, that is.

6 posted on 01/11/2013 8:59:06 AM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

I went to a gun show outside Houston last week. AK’s I could buy for $100 a few years back are $1700. The price of pistols has increased substantially as has whatever ammo you can get.
An AR-15 I bought a few years ago for $500 was $3,000.

Is it a bubble? Yes it is unless they pass another law like the assault weapons ban. Will this keep guns off the streets? No, never. Even if they confiscate every gun in America Americans will start building them themselves. We are even already seeing pistols being “printed” from scratch.

Barry whatever his name is does not and has never understood Americans. I doubt he has ever actually met any of the real ones. The real Americans won’t kowtow to him or any government.

What a complete failure Obama has been. Instead of becoming one of the greatest presidents of all time who could have healed the divides people have, especially when it comes to skin color, he instead with evil vigor set about to pit people against people on so many levels it is hard to list them all. There is nothing admirable or inspiring about him.


7 posted on 01/11/2013 9:05:12 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: KGeorge; All
I don’t think this fight will ever be over, once & for all, until the communists are
completely purged from the United States of America. And maybe not even then.
true...there's no shortage of (we only want to help the chil'ren :)...
Morons or some-other self-important Elitists

8 posted on 01/11/2013 9:05:26 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: Eye of Unk
It is necessary to the security of a kingdom that there be a plentiful supply of qualified and well armed knights, with all the privileges attendant to that estate.

Being a knight meant you could also BEAR ARMS against anyone you pleased ~ or on behalf of your liege lord ~

The full expression "keep and bear arms" means that you are a knight ~ a noble ~ entitled to all the privileges and rights of nobility.

Having a pistol or a rifle is a tiny part of that body of rights and privileges ~

It's somewhat interesting that the old Kingdom of Sweden ~ under the First Vasa king and his immediate successors ~ got into the habit of referring to all of the children of a 'knight' or nobleman with his same rank. Eventually just about everyone there became, literally a noble ~ if not in wealth or power, at least in name ~ that's why your Scandinavian genealogy is so difficult to work out BTW

Also, the Vasa king could look around and see that the Danes had made a major hit on Swedish power by murdering a good number of nobles, including the other members of his family ~ men, women and children according to the records.

He then began acquiring a new nobility from other lands ~ and for some really obscure reasons he obtained men who knew how to take the Kingdom to the status of Swedish Empire ~ and the Defender of Protestantism in Europe.

Our Founders knew Swedish history! The second amendment is not just the embodiement of the French Huguenot belief about the place of personal firearms in the body politic, but also the embodiment of the Vasa king's idea of how to throw off foreign tyranny ~ bring in good people and give them 'the right to keep and bear arms' and you will prevail, not so much because they have arms, but because they are smart and instantly have a stake in the land, their and its fortune, and, of course, their sacred honor.

These are ancient principles which should not so easily be overthrown. We know the Democrats would like to reduce us to tribalism, so we will simply have to fight all the harder, and in the end ~ maybe there won't be any more Democrats.

9 posted on 01/11/2013 9:05:37 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Oldpuppymax

,,, all this may be very true and before 2008 it may have had standing as the ultimate understanding ,,,, BUT !!!!!! ,,, that was before 0bama took office and the congress became a usless mass of self indulgent liberals on both sides of the isle .

Let me make this “CLEAR” to everyone ,,,, the Constitution as we once knew it no longer exists and the congress we have now does not have in it’s interest to challenge “ANY” un-constitutional acts implemented by this regime .

If you want your country and the US Constitution back “YOU” will have to fight for it because the line has been drawn in the sand and the dare to stand up to Mr. Executive Order is now firmly in “YOUR” court .

Congress has already surrendered ..... I just hope I don’t get zotted for speaking my true feelings .


10 posted on 01/11/2013 9:07:00 AM PST by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism & Communism are the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: Eye of Unk
IMO, it is too soon to start talking about militias and armed resistance. This thing can be stopped long before that, if 2A supporters keep their nerve.

The key to victory is to ignore any regulation that requires registration of guns as an infringement of the 2A and therefor illegal. If they don't know where the guns are, they cannot carry out mass confiscations, which is what would trigger a violent response.

Civil disobedience is a powerful tool that pushed the Brits out of India and gained civil rights for blacks in the South.

That's where to make the stand -- let registration fizzlw out like it did in Canada.

11 posted on 01/11/2013 9:10:48 AM PST by expat2
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To: isthisnickcool; All
Will this keep guns off the streets? No, never.
Even if they confiscate every gun in America
a meat-of-the-nut quote....

12 posted on 01/11/2013 9:11:36 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: Oldpuppymax
To paraphrase Mike Vanderboegh of Sipsey Street Irregulars: “If you don’t try to steal our guns, we won’t kill you.” What could be fairer than that!

That is a fairly succinct and specific statement that says it all.

13 posted on 01/11/2013 9:13:32 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

Here is a couple of useful links.

http://www.ammoengine.com/

http://gun-deals.com/ammo


14 posted on 01/11/2013 9:15:44 AM PST by Hang'emAll (Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: expat2

It takes time to get people trained and organized, at the very best I would say nine months.

In that space of time Obama can shut down all firearms and ammo manufacturing plus bring in outside resources such as the UN to enforce his progressive ideology.

No I disagree, training and organization should have been part of our culture along the lines of the Swiss.

Even if we started right now we would still be overwhelmed with a superior trained force that will follow orders to the letter.


15 posted on 01/11/2013 9:19:57 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: Eye of Unk
They don't know where the guns are right now, and that is the great strength of the gun-owners. When the militias are formed, they will know where the most dangerous gun-owners are -- and the first guns to be confiscated.

Better to keep your powder dry and your head down until it should become necessary. If gun-owners keep their nerve and ignore registration regulations, it is likely not to become necessary -- because there are still guns behind every blade of grass.

16 posted on 01/11/2013 9:38:51 AM PST by expat2
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To: Eye of Unk
They don't know where the guns are right now, and that is the great strength of the gun-owners. When the militias are formed, they will know where the most dangerous gun-owners are -- and the first guns to be confiscated.

Better to keep your powder dry and your head down until it should become necessary. If gun-owners keep their nerve and ignore registration regulations, it is likely not to become necessary -- because there are still guns behind every blade of grass.

17 posted on 01/11/2013 9:39:49 AM PST by expat2
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To: Eye of Unk

I think you forget that a large portion of the gun owning population are the many combat vets such as myself that are well trained, battle hardened and willing to lay our life down for our country if need be.


18 posted on 01/11/2013 9:51:07 AM PST by AirborneMedic (In my 16 years in the military, I have never served with a Liberal !!!! ***Update, just one***)
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To: Eye of Unk
Even if we started right now we would still be overwhelmed with a superior trained force that will follow orders to the letter.

So why don't you just surrender right now then? This three percenter and oath keeper will never surrender.

19 posted on 01/11/2013 10:05:00 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: skeeter
We have a SCOTUS that really no longer cares much for precedent.

That's true, skeeter, and it cares still less—much less—for the Constitution.

20 posted on 01/11/2013 10:07:34 AM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: grobdriver

“It’s like owning ocean-front property and having the sea eat away at your beach”

Here’s a more littoral analogy: “Gun control is a tide that is always coming in.”

Similar to Islam.


21 posted on 01/11/2013 11:18:50 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
I just tried to buy .223 ammo. in bulk. Many places are out of stock. They also are out of stock for .30 M1 carbine ammo. This is amazing.

CMP has the .30 Carbine stuff available, but you must have a current membership in a local affiliated club.

22 posted on 01/11/2013 11:23:53 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: elcid1970
Ugh.
That's pretty bleak.
23 posted on 01/11/2013 11:29:15 AM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: Eye of Unk; Norm Lenhart; JRandomFreeper
...training and organization should have been part of our culture along the lines of the Swiss.

Even if we started right now we would still be overwhelmed with a superior trained force that will follow orders to the letter.

Aren't you the same doom and gloomer who's been talking about running away to Australia?

Even though the odds in this fight stand at Citizens 100 / Federals 1, you continue to drone on and on about how Big Brother is an all-powerful, irresistible force, which cannot be beaten.

Even if only one in ten Americans stood their ground in the ultimate defiance scenario, they would comprise an army 10 million strong, which is larger than any armed force that Obama and the Commies in the U.N. could ever hope to cobble together.

Less than 15 thousand committed jihadists tied up our entire war machine in Iraq for nearly ten years!

Add to that, the fact that you're slandering the vast majority of American armed forces personnel, who would NOT obey an executive order to disarm the American public, and I'm beginning to believe that you're a hopeless paranoid, or some sort of disinformation agent.

KNOCK OFF THE DOOM AND GLOOM!

24 posted on 01/11/2013 11:47:54 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SVTCobra03
This three percenter and oath keeper will never surrender.

BOOYAH!

I'm right there with you, friend. Never give up. Never surrender.

25 posted on 01/11/2013 11:49:31 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: grobdriver

Heh, heh, I’ve been watching that tide come in since 1967 when I was 18 & made my first gun purchase. GCA-68, AK import ban(s), AWB 94, & now this. Every one of those was tragedy exploitation.

And every one was either watered down or bypassed. That ol’ U.S. Constitution is an annoying pesky thing to the gungrabbers, & its harshest media critics are all mostly furriners. Our guns aren’t registered and this isn’t the Soviet Union, heck’s fire now even the Russkies are telling us not to give up our guns.

The Brits are another matter. Our war of Independence began when the redcoats tried to seize weapons, & the Piers Morgan crowd doesn’t like it a bit that we won over just that issue.

“..shall not be infringed.” Take heart, FRiend.

;^)


26 posted on 01/11/2013 12:02:35 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Oldpuppymax
Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred." Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, page 1523:

You can not surrender, sell or transfer unalienable rights, they are a gift from the creator to the individual and can not under any circumstances be surrendered or taken. All individual's have unalienable rights.

Inalienable rights: Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights. Morrison v. State, Mo. App., 252 S.W.2d 97, 101.

You can surrender, sell or transfer inalienable rights if you consent either actually or constructively. Inalienable rights are not inherent in man and can be alienated by government. Persons have inalienable rights. Most state constitutions recognize only inalienable rights.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

27 posted on 01/11/2013 12:04:04 PM PST by OB1kNOb (On November 6th liberty was given the death penalty in America.)
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To: Standing Wolf

On Ghandihttp://www.markshep.com/peace/Myths.html

“The second form of mass Satyagraha was noncooperation.

This is just what it sounds like. Noncooperation meant refusing to cooperate with the opponent, refusing to submit to the injustice being fought. It took such forms as strikes, economic boycotts, and tax refusals.

Of course, noncooperation and civil disobedience overlapped. Noncooperation too was to be carried out in a “civil” manner. Here too, Gandhi’s followers had to cheerfully face beating, imprisonment, confiscation of their property—and it was hoped that this willing suffering would cause a “change of heart.”

But noncooperation also had a dynamic of its own, a dynamic that didn’t at all depend on converting the opponent or even molding public opinion. It was a dynamic based not on appeals but on the power of the people themselves.

Gandhi saw that the power of any tyrant depends entirely on people being willing to obey. The tyrant may get people to obey by threatening to throw them in prison, or by holding guns to their heads. But the power still resides in the obedience, not in the prison or the guns.

Now, what happens if those people begin to say, “We’re not afraid of prison. We’re even willing to die. But we’re not willing to obey you any longer.”

It’s very simple. The tyrant has no power. He may rant and scream and hurt and destroy—but if the people hold to it, he’s finished.

Gandhi said, “I believe that no government can exist for a single moment without the cooperation of the people, willing or forced, and if people suddenly withdraw their cooperation in every detail, the government will come to a standstill.”

“That was Gandhi’s concept of power—the one he’s accused of not having. It’s a hard one to grasp, for those used to seeing power in the barrel of a gun. Their filters do not pass it. And so they call Gandhi idealistic, impractical.”


28 posted on 01/11/2013 12:07:56 PM PST by marsh2
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sfl


29 posted on 01/11/2013 12:18:41 PM PST by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: KGeorge

>> “I don’t think this fight will ever be over, once & for all, until the communists are completely purged from the United States of America.” <<

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Purged?

They have taken complete control of the presidency, the congress, the judiciary, and the schools; what do they lack?
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30 posted on 01/11/2013 12:33:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Eye of Unk; Windflier

I see these kinds of comments often Unk and perhaps you can tell me...

How many military have you talked to in your life that say they will attack and kill their fellow Americans? I genuinely want to know.

Because with a family and many friends both current and former military I have yet to encounter one of them who would. Further, when this subject comes up (often in today’s climate) none of them seem to know any of their fellows who would either.

Now Like every part of society, the Military has it’s undesirables that would. But they are so much the minority and their potential actions so vile that they would be quickly fragged should try try.

So please. enlighten us. And when you cant, please deliver the message to others who say likewise without anything to back it up.

You think the mil would follow orders to shoot us. The many and diverse members/ranks of the mil I know from around the country, who have served in multiple wars and theaters, say they would not. Either they are lying or not representative of the military as a whole. Which do you think is more likely?


31 posted on 01/11/2013 12:36:11 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Oldpuppymax

Alexander Hamilton was a globalist, big central government tyrant; that’s why he didn’t want any rights ennumerated in the constitution.


32 posted on 01/11/2013 12:36:42 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

It’s true they have all but completely taken control of the federal government.
What do they lack?
What they lack is the support of the American people. If you believe the hype- that they have 51% support for this president & for their freebies & *their* privileges, look around on some forums that aren’t primarily political.
“Crossed the line” isn’t just a figure of speech & it isn’t just about the 2A. This has been building up for a long time.

By “purge”, I mean every communist in the country. We knew the thief was in the house & we gave him his own house key.


33 posted on 01/11/2013 2:28:10 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: KGeorge

I understand that Obama and his cohorts were not legitimately elected, but they do control the election process due to their control of federal prosecution, and the compliance of the very like minded zombies of the MSM.

Part of the problem in the general complacency of our poorly educated population. Government schools effectively reduce the cognition of the masses.


34 posted on 01/11/2013 3:34:34 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Exactly. That’s why I said they all need to be run out of the country. They’re so dedicated, I’m sure they’d be welcome in China or North Korea, like Frank Marshall Davis’ buddies were in the USSR. They can’t control anything if they’re not here. Maybe “purged” was the wrong word. Exiled with no possibility of return.

I agree with you 100% about government schools.

Do you mean that we have to rely on the Congress & the courts so it can’t happen? Because then I see your point. But they need to go, too. We need to just clean house. By all appearances, people- non political people, are very, very angry. Nobody is holding back on the communism aspect.
51% of the American people didn’t support the democrats. Supposedly, 51% of *the people who voted* did. Those people who didn’t show up weren’t all apathetic. Some of them were ticked off & cynical.


35 posted on 01/11/2013 3:57:57 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: KGeorge

How are you going to make it happen?


36 posted on 01/11/2013 4:51:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Eye of Unk
The culmination of the 2A is to have a well trained and equipped militia, so far people have yet to be well trained.

What I've been posting over the past few weeks (and over the years) is this: it's time to turn the regulating of the militia into a weekend convention for gun enthusiasts, sanctioned by state national guards.

In Federalist #29, Alexander Hamilton writes:


The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious, if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss. It would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country, to an amount which, calculating upon the present numbers of the people, would not fall far short of the whole expense of the civil establishments of all the States. To attempt a thing which would abridge the mass of labor and industry to so considerable an extent, would be unwise: and the experiment, if made, could not succeed, because it would not long be endured. Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year.

Hamilton expected that the "militia" gather once or twice a year for inspection by officers of the state, or they cannot consider themselves to be "well-regulated." Inspection would include demonstrating that their arms are kept in good working order, and that they are proficient in its use.

One way for gun owners to turn the debate would be to suggest that the states offer "militia inspections" once or twice a year. If a state were serious about doing this, it could be practical to have a unit of a state's national guard travel from region to region and hold weekend "boot-camps" at a reserve army base for volunteers to attend.

I'm sure there are many bitter-clingers who would love to sign up for a weekend getaway to practice being a militia once or twice a year.

This would be a way to make the "militia" argument real and practical, not some archaic term-of-art from a time-gone-by.

-PJ

37 posted on 01/11/2013 5:04:18 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too; KGeorge

>> “•Make it a program that someone has to register and pay for.” <<

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So that the thugs will have the ownership data with which to proceed with confiscation?


38 posted on 01/11/2013 9:47:17 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; KGeorge
So that the thugs will have the ownership data with which to proceed with confiscation?

I seriously thought about that point. Here are my conclusions.

1. If the movement is large enough, the feds can't get away with it.

2. If people paid for it themselves, then it would be like a trade show or convention, not a government-controlled freebie. That would endorse the idea that it is a citizen-militia under state jurisdiction, and not an extension of a federal standing army.

3. If the states controlled it per Hamilton's writings that the militia officers be under state appointment, then federal confiscation of a legal state militia exercise would be outright tyranny that all the other states would be forced to recognize. It would be Hamilton's worst fears come true, which would prove the Framers' hypthesis for all to see.

Sure, I see the danger, and the optics, of gathering lawful gun owners in one place under the pretext of a militia assembly, only to be rounded up like the Japanese in WWII. That's a stunt that Obama could only pull once. There are many counties in a single state, and 49 other states if he should pull a stunt like that in one place.

Do you really think that's a serious possibility that could sweep the nation?

-PJ

39 posted on 01/11/2013 10:02:53 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I would say that the next step is to go to our state legislators & governors. I am, personally, a proponent of secession/ partition. If the left wants to have their socialist utopia, fine- but they will not be our neighbors & we will not foot the bill any longer. What I’ve seen discussed there isn’t “round them up & throw them out” but strongly encourage them to self deport by removing the entitlements that allow them to stay- public assistance, affirmative action, the right of free association to name 3. Socially conservative, traditional values based on the Constitution & the free market would be the law, period. No illegal immigration, period. No discussion, no lawsuit nonsense, nothing. Don’t like it- there’s the door. Maybe help (literally- funds & services) them relocate if someone couldn’t move otherwise because it would save money & peace in the long run.
I read a post on another forum earlier that conservatives should “form their own union” & adopt union tactics, like a strike/ boycott. They were being kinda facetious, but refusing to comply/ participate & being visibly in dissent is about all we have left before the proverbial pitchforks & torches. Violence is *not* necessary (defense might be, if they attacked us with violence first)
I guess a simpler way of putting it is shunning & passive resistance. At least until we can come up with a better plan.

You’re not implying that we should just keep rolling over & go along, are you?


40 posted on 01/12/2013 2:20:57 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: editor-surveyor; Political Junkie Too

Why would the federal government (or even the state, for that matter) have access to that registration? I can see it as a self policing instrument- & for accountability in the event of rogue behavior (such as that would be in martial conflict).

(I seem to be missing this post on my pings. I’m going to reply to PJ’s other post- which I have, & go back to fill in)

PJ- Good thoughts. I have thought about that, too (ugh. Musing. I would hope to avert that, BUT...) (in that case) would it be better to amass in a more concentrated region? lol No one’s going to agree on this, regionally- I know. Or have concentrated pockets across the country so that the federal government’s resources would be spread out- maybe loosely co-ordinated, but doing their own thing, somewhat. The US would probably be like Afghanistan but much worse (because it’s not so barren)

This is men’s work. I have *no* business in this conversation. 0.o Why is so hot...& what am I doing in this hand basket? Please excuse me...


41 posted on 01/12/2013 2:38:45 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: Political Junkie Too; KGeorge

>> “Do you really think that’s a serious possibility that could sweep the nation?” <<

.
We just watched the cancellation of an entire national election by open electronic vote fraud, and union thuggery.

They’ll do anything they wish, and the GOPe is definitely a part of the crime.


42 posted on 01/12/2013 11:39:44 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: KGeorge
I believe that we rolled right past our last and final opportunity to do anything 21 years ago.
43 posted on 01/12/2013 11:45:56 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
But people didn't take their guns with them to the polls. We're talking about a citizen militia gathering once or twice a year, just as Alexander Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers.

Are you suggesting that the federal government will swoop into such a gathering and forcibly confiscate the weapons of the attendees after luring them with the pretext of a constitutional militia inspection?

Or are you suggesting that they'd let the militia gather, and then after they go home the feds would individually visit each attendee and take their weapons later?

-PJ

44 posted on 01/12/2013 11:47:19 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Hard to predict exactly what they will do, but obey the constitution is not one of the likely choices.

You have to go by the evidence, and the O-bummah admin has done nothing lawful during its tenure.


45 posted on 01/12/2013 11:56:40 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Round one hasn’t started yet.


46 posted on 01/12/2013 12:04:06 PM PST by sport
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To: editor-surveyor
I will agree that when given the choice, Obama has always chosen the most audacious path possible, whether with cabinet nominees or in responding to legislative negotiations.

That said, one would hope that the more outrageous Obama becomes, the more motivated the population will become to push back. I believe that organizing a militia gathering and then surrounding them and confiscating their lawful weapons would be akin to closing off a Warsaw ghetto and criminalizing its residents.

That would be an outrage that would quickly mobilize the rest of the nation.

-PJ

47 posted on 01/12/2013 12:05:06 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: editor-surveyor; Political Junkie Too

editor-surveyor said

“They’ll do anything they wish, and the GOPe is definitely a part of the crime.”

Agree. Why are we sitting around, griping on the internet again? We need to come up with a solution. No one is going to do it for us.

“I believe that we rolled right past our last and final opportunity to do anything 21 years ago.”

I disagree. Strongly. We’re getting real close, though. I guess I’m one of those 25 million Bill Ayers was talking about. (please pardon me) Screw him! I’ll see him in hell before I’ll give up.


48 posted on 01/12/2013 5:54:07 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: sport; editor-surveyor

“Round one hasn’t started yet.”
^^^^^^^^ This.


49 posted on 01/12/2013 5:56:51 PM PST by KGeorge
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