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Biden Hints At Outlawing Unregulated "Private" Gun Sales
http://www.weeklystandard.com/ ^ | January 10,2013 | Daniel Halper

Posted on 01/10/2013 12:47:18 PM PST by Biggirl

"And so the kinds of things that there's an emerging set of recommendations, not coming from me but coming from the groups we've met with," said Biden today, before a closed door meeting on gun control. "And I'm going to focus on the ones that relate primarily to gun ownership and the type of weapons can be owned. And one is, there is a surprising -- so far -- a surprising recurrence of suggestions that we have universal background checks. Not just close the gun show loophole but total, universal background checks, including private sales."

Biden will present his recommendations on gun control to the president on Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; biden; guncontrol; politics; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/10/2013 12:47:23 PM PST by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

Yeah, that’ll work.

I can see it now, “Yo, wait a second Tyrone while I call the ATF and run a background check on ya’ll”


2 posted on 01/10/2013 12:53:39 PM PST by technically right
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To: Biggirl
LOL! Like goblins selling pistols out of the trunk of a Caddy in south Oak Cliff are going to run background checks.

/johnny

3 posted on 01/10/2013 12:54:34 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Biggirl

Ignore all unconstitutional laws.


4 posted on 01/10/2013 12:54:34 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Biggirl
 
 
"before a closed door meeting on gun control"
 
That's a major problem with this regime we have - nothing debated out in the open, just "closed door meetings" and then the citizens are zapped with legislation. Over and over. Tyranny isn't 'coming'- it's been here hardcore since 2009.
 
 

5 posted on 01/10/2013 12:54:42 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: Biggirl

So your grandfather’s rifle, the one your dad gave to you, you won’t be able to give to your child, without a background check, and maybe not even then.


6 posted on 01/10/2013 12:57:23 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Biggirl

Wait till they get flooded with denial of service attacks and bogus data


7 posted on 01/10/2013 12:58:53 PM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: faucetman

I foresee massive noncompliance.


8 posted on 01/10/2013 12:59:09 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: thackney

Anything like that will have to be done “under the radar” or under the table.


9 posted on 01/10/2013 1:00:13 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Dead Corpse

That will happen more and more.


10 posted on 01/10/2013 1:01:38 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
Not just close the gun show loophole

Hey, Plugs....let me tell you for the very last time. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE!

11 posted on 01/10/2013 1:02:58 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Biggirl

How is my right to keep and bear arms not infringed if I have to ask permission to exercise that right ?


12 posted on 01/10/2013 1:03:06 PM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: Biggirl
Hey Biden, if they're not registered in the first place, how in the world do you think you can REGULATE private arms sales?

Dumbass. Gun registration and regulating PRIVATE sales will do NOTHING ... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ... to stop another Newtown, Aurora, or Columbine massacre from happening again. Period.

There are over 2,400 federal gun laws on the books today. How many of them "SHOULD HAVE" stopped Newtown, Aurora or Columbine from happening?

Now ask yourself WHY they didn't.

Then you'll have the answer of what REALLY to do. But hey, don't let facts, logic and reason stop you dumbass libtards from emotionally knee-jerk reacting while trampling all over the GOD GIVEN RIGHTS of every-day Americans.

Yes, I will resist.

13 posted on 01/10/2013 1:05:16 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: maine yankee
How is my right to keep and bear arms not infringed if I have to ask permission to exercise that right ?

Hey! Who gave you permission to speak? :-)

14 posted on 01/10/2013 1:06:10 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: usconservative
Now ask yourself WHY they didn't.

Probably because the Gun Free Zone sign wasn't big enough. /sarc

15 posted on 01/10/2013 1:07:55 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Biggirl

Good luck with that plugs. Seriously...


16 posted on 01/10/2013 1:08:24 PM PST by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Biggirl

I think we need background checks on politicians, both before they run for office and retroactively (ex post facto).

1. Do they now or have they ever associated with left-wingers, communists, terrorists...
2. Are they Demoncrats...
3. Have they ever travelled on a passport other than one issued by the United States Department of State...
4. Do they have Social Security Cards illegally issued...
5. Do they claim to have been born in Hawaii...
6. Do they now claim Illinois to be their home state...
7. Or Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Delaware, California...

Any such are barred from holding public office in these United States.


17 posted on 01/10/2013 1:08:35 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Biggirl

So how is he going to implement it! He has NO DATABASE of firearms owners or what they own. WE have the guns he has NOTHING to bargan with.

That is why they have wanted GUN REGISTRATION since 1962.

Britain registered handguns and rifles, then confiscated them.

Same as Australia and the Philippines.

Anyone who bought a firearm in the last few years should find someone with an equal firearm and trade immediately.

If they then come to your door using the BATF applications you can say you do not have THAT firearm anymore and don’t know where it is now.

No matter how they sell “registration” to you it always ends up in CONFISCATION.

Nelson T. ‘Pete’ Shields
Founder of Handgun Control, Inc.

“I’m convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. We’re going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily — given the political realities — going to be very modest.

Of course, it’s true that politicians will then go home and say, ‘This is a great law. The problem is solved.’ And it’s also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time.

So then we’ll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen that law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in the United States — is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years.

The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition — except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally illegal.”

-Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., “A Reporter At Large: Handguns,” The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58


18 posted on 01/10/2013 1:14:03 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Dead Corpse

As massive as a galaxy sized black hole.


19 posted on 01/10/2013 1:15:17 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
So how is he going to implement it! He has NO DATABASE of firearms owners or what they own. WE have the guns he has NOTHING to bargan with.

So what is the purpose of a 4473 every time we purchase a gun then? Is it reasonable to think it's "just a form" that goes nowhere? It's not entered into a database?

20 posted on 01/10/2013 1:18:14 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Biggirl

Making criminals out of good citizens.


21 posted on 01/10/2013 1:20:59 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Biggirl
said Biden today, before a closed door meeting on gun control.

So, a "closed door meeting" on infringing Second Amendment Rights of American Citizens is just fine, no problems.

However, a "closed door sale" of a firearm by American Citizens exercising Second Amendment Rights is supposed to be decreed "illegal."

I just want to be "perfectly clear" on who is doing what up in DC.

.

22 posted on 01/10/2013 1:42:39 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Biggirl


23 posted on 01/10/2013 1:54:10 PM PST by tomkat (HELL NO)
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To: Biggirl

bttt


24 posted on 01/10/2013 1:57:34 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: usconservative

***So what is the purpose of a 4473 every time we purchase a gun then?***

As I said, trade your firearm for another equal to it. When the feds come wanting to know about your old rifle, you can say you no longer have it.

Trade it two or three times is better!

And they certainly don’t have a list of the magazines that go with it!


25 posted on 01/10/2013 2:02:45 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Puppage
Hey, Plugs....let me tell you for the very last time. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE!

There's no such thing as an "assault rifle", either. But that won't stop the gun grabbers.

Do you think they really care about those poor innocent kids in Connecticut?

Those children are a meaningless abstraction to people like Cuomo and Feinstein. They are a fortuitous means to their ends. What they desire is not to disarm the criminal and mentally ill, who constitute key Democratic constituencies. Instead, they want to disarm the sane and the law-abiding. Now figure out why.

26 posted on 01/10/2013 2:12:22 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: usconservative

Without a database, the 4473 is of little value. If you are the first owner of a new gun, there will be a paper trail from the manufacturer to the wholesaler and then to the dealer. If you sell that gun to an individual or to at a different gun store, there is no paper trail from the place you bought it to the place you sold it.

From what I have heard the ATF is keeping an illegal gun database, going into gun shops and scanning in all their 4473s.


27 posted on 01/10/2013 2:37:45 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The one thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"From what I have heard the ATF is keeping an illegal gun database, going into gun shops and scanning in all their 4473s."

What, officer?

That old Mosin? Yeah, I sold it to some guy named Frank. Or maybe Jerry. Years ago.

Huh? Oh, medium build, medium height. Stylish haircut, if I remember correctly. Which I don't much anymore. That Oldtimers is a b*tch, dontchaknow!

Well, gotta run. Have a nice day.

28 posted on 01/10/2013 2:48:18 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
If you sell that gun to an individual or to at a different gun store, there is no paper trail from the place you bought it to the place you sold it.

In which case the Federal Government could then accuse me of making a straw-man purchase and prosecuting me that way couldn't they?

29 posted on 01/10/2013 3:10:05 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
He has NO DATABASE of firearms owners or what they own.

That we know of. I'm sure he can (legally or illegally)get a list of everyone who ever got a hunting license and based on what tags were bought would tell them rifle or shotgun at least. Plus all CCW holders, Class 3 license holders, etc. That would get him, oh, 30-40 million names or so.

30 posted on 01/10/2013 3:13:59 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Biggirl
Biden Hints At Outlawing Unregulated "Private" Gun Sales

Like when the US government sold fully automatic weapons to the drug cartels? That kind of private sale?

31 posted on 01/10/2013 4:25:52 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

A 4473 is worthless for tracking a firearm after the first sale.
I’ve bought on 4473 forms lots of firearms over the last 43 years, but have traded off or sold most of them except a few.

I have not bought or traded for years and haven’t been to a BIG gun show in about 10 years.


32 posted on 01/10/2013 4:36:13 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: usconservative

***Is it reasonable to think it’s “just a form” that goes nowhere? It’s not entered into a database? ***

Buy your firearm with a 4473. Find someone with the same type rifle, swap. You have just destroyed the paper trail.


33 posted on 01/10/2013 4:38:45 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Biggirl

***Biden Hints At Outlawing Unregulated “Private” Gun Sales***

And just how will he enforce that when he can’t even stop illegal aliens or illegal drugs.

Buy a pistol or rifle. Use it, then trade it to a neighbor. How will he stop that. Gun trading will just go underground.


34 posted on 01/10/2013 4:42:10 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: usconservative

No, they would have to prove you bought it for someone else. Selling a firearm you legally own to a private citizen is still legal.


35 posted on 01/10/2013 4:43:41 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The one thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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