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Pravda : 'Americans never give up your guns'
pravda.ru/opinion ^ | 28.12.2012 | Stanislav Mishin

Posted on 12/31/2012 3:51:31 PM PST by virgil283

"These days, there are few few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bare arms and use deadly force to defend one’s self and possessions......who themselves grew up and came from the same culture?

No it is about power and a total power over the people. There is a lot of desire to bad mouth the Tsar, particularly by the Communists, who claim he was a tyrant, and yet under him we were armed and under the progressives disarmed. Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear. So, do not fall for the false promises and do not extinguish the light that is left to allow humanity a measure of self respect.

(Excerpt) Read more at english.pravda.ru ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: righttobeararms
"What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question" !!!!!

{Searched and didn't find this posted earlier}

1 posted on 12/31/2012 3:51:38 PM PST by virgil283
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To: virgil283

That has got to hurt real bad, being impugned by Pravda as “socialist”.


2 posted on 12/31/2012 3:53:37 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: virgil283
STICK TO YOUR GUNS
3 posted on 12/31/2012 3:58:34 PM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: virgil283

I’m rooting for Pravda and hating on our commie preezy.

It seems like yesterday that Reagan and Thatcher walked the earth.


4 posted on 12/31/2012 4:01:47 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: virgil283
Heh.

No Communists left in Russia, except for a few fools.

Everyone else refers to it as "the Soviet mistake".

The Russian people are not fools. They all know where the tiny little group of frozen faced radicals who called themselves the "Big Party" (Bolshevikii) got their power: at the point of a gun.

They'd like to be able to prevent that from happening again.

Don't know that they can. Like other people, they confront a government with massive firepower, and no interest in sharing it.

But it is a bit surprising. You can buy a nice semi-auto Saiga in some of the shops in Moscow, along with lots of other fun stuff. Don't know if you have to register it, suspect that like everything in Moscow, you could just pay the cop to look the other way....

5 posted on 12/31/2012 4:07:01 PM PST by Regulator
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To: virgil283
There is a lot of desire to bad mouth the Tsar, particularly by the Communists, who claim he was a tyrant, and yet under him we were armed and under the progressives disarmed.

I's sure like to see a reference that ordinary people were allowed to keep and bear arms under the Tsarist regime. I very much doubt it.

My understanding is that this was one of the primary privileges of the Cossacks. They were given the privilege of bearing arms because it was assumed they'd be loyal to the Tsar, partly because of this privilege.

Also, by definition the Tsar was an autocrat. I suppose it's possible to be an autocrat but not a tyrant, but it's been accomplished only rarely. It is, however, true that the commies were much worse by almost any standard you care to use.

6 posted on 12/31/2012 4:08:14 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

One definition of tyrant is ‘self made ruler’. The Tsar didn’t make himself, nor did he take power that was not his by tradition.

By contrast, Obama seems to be doing executive orders to add more power to himself.

The Tsar was also head of state of Finland, but that state was not ruled by the Tsar as an autocrat. When the Tsar was murdered, Finland changed their constitution to select a head of state in another way.


7 posted on 12/31/2012 4:16:04 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: virgil283
These days, there are few few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bare arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions.

This will probably come as a total shock to most of my Western readers, but at one point, Russia was one of the most heavily armed societies on earth. This was, of course, when we were free under the Tsar. Weapons, from swords and spears to pistols, rifles and shotguns were everywhere, common items. People carried them concealed, they carried them holstered. Fighting knives were a prominent part of many traditional attires and those little tubes criss crossing on the costumes of Cossacks and various Caucasian peoples? Well those are bullet holders for rifles.

Various armies, such as the Poles, during the Смута (Times of Troubles), or Napoleon, or the Germans even as the Tsarist state collapsed under the weight of WW1 and Wall Street monies, found that holding Russian lands was much much harder than taking them and taking was no easy walk in the park but a blood bath all its own. In holding, one faced an extremely well armed and aggressive population Hell bent on exterminating or driving out the aggressor.

This well armed population was what allowed the various White factions to rise up, no matter how disorganized politically and militarily they were in 1918 and wage a savage civil war against the Reds. It should be noted that many of these armies were armed peasants, villagers, farmers and merchants, protecting their own. If it had not been for Washington's clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.

Moscow fell, for example, not from a lack of weapons to defend it, but from the lieing guile of the Reds. Ten thousand Reds took Moscow and were opposed only by some few hundreds of officer cadets and their instructors. Even then the battle was fierce and losses high. However, in the city alone, at that time, lived over 30,000 military officers (both active and retired), all with their own issued weapons and ammunition, plus tens of thousands of other citizens who were armed. The Soviets promised to leave them all alone if they did not intervene. They did not and for that were asked afterwards to come register themselves and their weapons: where they were promptly shot.

Of course being savages, murderers and liars does not mean being stupid and the Reds learned from their Civil War experience. One of the first things they did was to disarm the population. From that point, mass repression, mass arrests, mass deportations, mass murder, mass starvation were all a safe game for the powers that were. The worst they had to fear was a pitchfork in the guts or a knife in the back or the occasional hunting rifle. Not much for soldiers.

To this day, with the Soviet Union now dead 21 years, with a whole generation born and raised to adulthood without the SU, we are still denied our basic and traditional rights to self defense. Why? We are told that everyone would just start shooting each other and crime would be everywhere....but criminals are still armed and still murdering and to often, especially in the far regions, those criminals wear the uniforms of the police. The fact that everyone would start shooting is also laughable when statistics are examined.

While President Putin pushes through reforms, the local authorities, especially in our vast hinterland, do not feel they need to act like they work for the people. They do as they please, a tyrannical class who knows they have absolutely nothing to fear from a relatively unarmed population. This in turn breeds not respect but absolute contempt and often enough, criminal abuse.

For those of us fighting for our traditional rights, the US 2nd Amendment is a rare light in an ever darkening room. Governments will use the excuse of trying to protect the people from maniacs and crime, but are in reality, it is the bureaucrats protecting their power and position. In all cases where guns are banned, gun crime continues and often increases. As for maniacs, be it nuts with cars (NYC, Chapel Hill NC), swords (Japan), knives (China) or home made bombs (everywhere), insane people strike. They throw acid (Pakistan, UK), they throw fire bombs (France), they attack. What is worse, is, that the best way to stop a maniac is not psychology or jail or "talking to them", it is a bullet in the head, that is why they are a maniac, because they are incapable of living in reality or stopping themselves.

The excuse that people will start shooting each other is also plain and silly. So it is our politicians saying that our society is full of incapable adolescents who can never be trusted? Then, please explain how we can trust them or the police, who themselves grew up and came from the same culture?

No it is about power and a total power over the people. There is a lot of desire to bad mouth the Tsar, particularly by the Communists, who claim he was a tyrant, and yet under him we were armed and under the progressives disarmed. Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.

So, do not fall for the false promises and do not extinguish the light that is left to allow humanity a measure of self respect.

Stanislav Mishin

8 posted on 12/31/2012 4:19:45 PM PST by Kennard
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To: Sherman Logan

The tsar was a king essentially

Have all kings been tyrants then?

Historically that term was reserved for especially unjust kings not monarchs in general

Autocratic rulers.....kings......tsars...etc who ruled for self at an excessive expense of his subjects

That is a tyrant...and Nicholas was not


9 posted on 12/31/2012 4:25:07 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: virgil283

Wow...Pravada more conservative and supporting freedom than the New York Times.....By a lot....

I’ve now seen everything....


10 posted on 12/31/2012 4:29:27 PM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: virgil283
'The right to bare arms?
11 posted on 12/31/2012 4:30:02 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: Regulator

Russians don’t want to see the next caliphate - especially in Moscow. As long as our government prosecutes a war with the muslim brotherhood against pro christian governments, Russia has cause to take aim at our cities and military. Get Ready.


12 posted on 12/31/2012 4:39:19 PM PST by x_plus_one
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To: donmeaker
When the Tsar was murdered, Finland changed their constitution to select a head of state in another way.

Of course, you're gliding over a revolution or two and a civil war that was part of the process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Civil_War

13 posted on 12/31/2012 4:43:02 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: virgil283

Did anyone notice this link in one of the comments?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52005

Some pretty frightening stuff, if true. I can’t recall seeing it here on FR.


14 posted on 12/31/2012 4:48:33 PM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Sherman Logan; virgil283; Regulator; Kennard
I got curious about Stanislav Mishin and his credentials, and being as the Western MSM has kept us in the dark about Russia for about a Century now, I thought I'd look around.

Stanislav has a blog link at the bottom of the Pravda article, and in it he has a few phrases that lift a red flag for me (pardon the pun), but while he spouts the class warfare propaganda, his history seems pretty solid.

I got down to May 12, 2007 and found he predicted Putin's invasion and punishment of Georgia in August 2008.

Putin's strategy was unpublished until March 2008, so this guy has a great deal of knowledge about things Russian.

Likewise, it appears to me that Pravda is the clear choice over the American MSM.

15 posted on 12/31/2012 5:07:33 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: virgil283

It could work out that the gun grabbing will occur during an economic collapse. Political and military instability feed off each other, and the Federal government will have one hell of a time controlling welfare mobs and chasing down rebels when the Treasury runs dry.
In this scenario, the federal government would be vulnerable. The Feds Achilles heels include lack of real money, communication, and fidelity to the 0bama regime. If rebels recruit some talented hackers to disrupt the IRS, financial markets, some ex-military to disrupt communications, and some intelligence insiders to undermine the command structure, an overthrow would be possible.


16 posted on 12/31/2012 5:14:15 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: virgil283

These are truly confusing times when the old mouth piece of the Soviet regime makes more sense than many of our elected officials.

No matter, we will persevere.


17 posted on 12/31/2012 5:17:12 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Kennard
If it had not been for Washington's clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.

Lost me there.

Washington had troops in Russia for several years during and after the war, mostly fighting the Reds.

Did Washington miss an opportunity for preventing much of the suffering of the 20th century by aggressively moving against the Reds? Sure.

But it's pure nonsense to claim we supported them.

18 posted on 12/31/2012 5:18:06 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: virgil283

I had to smack myself, is Pravda more conservative than many of our media companies like PMS-NBC, cBS ?


19 posted on 12/31/2012 5:24:30 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: virgil283

Today, I trust Pravda to get the truth out much more than the mainstream media. The media have become the enemy of the American People.


20 posted on 12/31/2012 5:27:19 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: wardaddy

I agree that Nicholas had no desire to be a tyrant, in fact he sincerely desired good for his people.

The problem is that he wasn’t competent enough to surf the waves of modernity crashing down on Russia. In the process he played a very large personal role in creating the situation that allowed the Reds to come to power.

One of the odder parallels in history is that between Louis XVI and Nicholas II. Both were kind, decent, honorable men who wanted the best for their people.

Both presided over the collapse of their monarchies, and got themselves and their families killed in the process. Neither of them deserved their fate, though lots of their ancestors certainly did.


21 posted on 12/31/2012 5:31:46 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Kennard

Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.
__________________________________________________________

This is the communists’ dirty little secret. However, in our case they know that we know the dirty little secret and what they are up to. Their lies, schemes and subterfuges will not work here. That is why we need to draw a very hard line against this latest leftest offensive. There is absolutely no rational basis to accept any more laws, rules and impositions on our right to “keep and bear arms.” In fact, we need to scale back the existing restraints.


22 posted on 12/31/2012 5:41:21 PM PST by iontheball
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To: Sherman Logan
Washington had troops in Russia for several years during and after the war, mostly fighting the Reds.

Correct, and the US supported the White Russians.

The author includes his accusation as the last sentence in a paragraph referring to WWI and 1918, which makes it incorrect.

If he had referred to little more than a decade later, the US did offer aid to the Reds both politically and promotionally.

At best it's sloppy, at worst it's untrue.

23 posted on 12/31/2012 5:42:19 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: virgil283

Ping...... cause I might need it later to show my commie friends.


24 posted on 12/31/2012 5:53:20 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Kennard

Can you locate for us a copy of the 1919 Bolshevik poster that says: “Citizens, Turn in Your Weapons”?

It used to be sold at gun shows here.


25 posted on 12/31/2012 5:56:12 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Navy Patriot; Sherman Logan

What he’s probably referring to is Jacob schiff and his secret monetary support of Trotsky and Lenin, which Wilson certainly knew about if not outright supported.


26 posted on 12/31/2012 5:56:31 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Regulator
Could very well be, Stanislav seems to like to write a series of bullet points, so to speak, and included this in a paragraph leading with military support, and not specifically including financial support.
27 posted on 12/31/2012 6:05:36 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Regulator

Schiff, AFAIK, was never an American government official.


28 posted on 12/31/2012 6:09:09 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: virgil283
I know you read this in the article, but it is very important for the our military to pay particular attention to how the Reds confiscated the guns. Especially how they suckered the military into standing down and the military dutifully expecting to be rewarded for doing so. Not surprisingly, the military reward proved true to the Communist doctrine. I dare say it was clearly not what the ‘useful idiots’ expected. Will the Russian experience repeat itself with our America military or will they pay attention to this history lesson and how the deadly game is played?
29 posted on 12/31/2012 6:34:26 PM PST by iontheball
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To: virgil283
Just want to try to calm everyone down over this subject.

1. Even Dems know they will lose their seat if they try this crap. Only Feinstein and Shummer types can try this and keep their jobs.

2. The Repubs control the House. They have a multitude of gun votes over the Dems,..... not even close.

3. The Constitution does protect us. The Courts have already ruled on our side.

4.( and I'm sure I could come up with a dozen more), The sheer number of gun owners. Lets say they did pass a law to confiscate guns. There is only a couple million military and maybe a couple more million law officers. There is estimated 80 to 100 million gun owners. Lets say 3/4 of those said, Ya know, I just don't want to die to save a chunk of metal. That would leave up to 25 million against maybe 4 million that would try to take them. I also KNOW FOR A FACT that most of the military and police wouldn't fire on family and citizens. Lets just say that would leave 500k to do the dirty work. If they try to recruit black panthers and gang bangers to enforce the law, ...what a mess. I don't think it's physically able to be done.

It's a shame we are here, but elections have consequences. My thought is it will never get past number one.

PS,...Some advice for some here. I know that some here are like many others here and have MULTIPLE guns. I have collected most of my life. There are guns I bought for $100 that are going today for $2000, I just read today. A couple of weeks back, I thought about selling a couple for $600 that are going now for $2-$3 grand. after going through the Clinton era and holding on, I found that when Dubya took over, the prices collapsed. IMHO, When this fervor collapses AK's will go back to $500 and AR's will go back to $900-$1000. Sell now and buy 2 when the time comes. That goes for ammo also. When Obama was elected, I didn't have enough 9mm to suit me. EVERYBODY was OUT, even WalMart. I ended up paying premo prices and then the price collapsed again. It will go down again,IMHO. Now I have a ton of 9mm and am just able to make money on them after 3 years. I will be culling some of my inventory to pay bills.

The reason people are doing all this buying is they are afraid they may NEEEED them. Well, if you find the need for your old collection, you can always place some lead poisoning behind someone's ear and get their collection. It's not going to be pretty, my friends. If you NEEED them, then you need them. If a soldier is the one giving you grief, then you become the insurgent. That's the way of the world. it's the same as in Iraq, or Viet Nam, or any other war we have been involved in.

Just as in "Red Dawn", you take you fathers 12ga or .243 deer gun you just couldn't sell, and take the enemies AK, rocket launcher, mini gun, ect. This is the last scenario, but just in case you think it's possible, all is not lost. For me, the problem will always be surviving the first few days or weeks. Until there is some sort of resistance organized, it's everyone for themselves.

My wife has always had one question. If the gubmint kicks down my door and takes my stuff, how will you all know what is happening? I think even my neighbors would look and say "He was always one of them weirdo's"... We stood around for months and watched Ruby Ridge and Waco, but nobody did anything. Same after Katrina. Nobody wants to fire the first shot. I would hope they would lose their ability to just kick our doors in after a couple of days before someone answered back. In "Red Dawn", you knew it was the enemy. If the police is breaking down doors, we tend to think it may be righteous. If it's the military,.....Well, most of us know about Posse Comitatus.

30 posted on 12/31/2012 6:45:45 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Sherman Logan

Finland was a constitutional monarchy, compared to the rest of Russia which was directly ruled.

It took some fighting in the Civil War to get Bolshie Russia to admit it.

Mannerheim was a Russian General, and never did learn to speak Finnish without a Swedish accent.


31 posted on 12/31/2012 6:48:57 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: chuckles

I just re read my post and couldn’t help but think of that scene in “The Jerk” where he leaves his wife and says “I don’t need anything! I don’t,...well, I need my M1A and a couple of mags, but other than that, I don’t,...well this nickle .45, and the SS AMT Longslide,.. I need that. But no more, well, maybe my Redhawk .44 mag with the scope”...... I guess that’s where I get my name.


32 posted on 12/31/2012 6:55:59 PM PST by chuckles
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To: chrisser
Thanks for the link.

They will use medical care as leverage.

Hence my tagline.

33 posted on 12/31/2012 6:59:40 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: chrisser

Geesh, I was spouting tears as I read that. I wish I thought it was all BS, but it makes sense in light of what is going on now.

I almost can’t handle that crap.

Whoa! Happy New Year, for the moment.


34 posted on 12/31/2012 7:01:51 PM PST by dforest
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To: donmeaker

He sure gave those commies a serious ass whooping though!


35 posted on 12/31/2012 7:25:36 PM PST by kneehurts
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To: chrisser

DAMNED scary...thanks for the link.
CanadaFreePress has had many good articles in the past, but this one put goosebumps on me. I believe every damned word of this, as my better half and myself thought even Bath-House Barry looked surprised that they “won” reSelection.

I suggest addressing everyone as “comrade”, now-—

Even the stinking congresscritters that seem complicit in the death of this great country.
DON’T address them as “Honorable”, because they are anything BUT.


36 posted on 12/31/2012 7:33:45 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Regulator
You can buy a nice semi-auto Saiga in some of the shops in Moscow...

Heh.. That's exactly the rifle I was cleaning just a short while ago.

37 posted on 12/31/2012 7:38:49 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: iontheball

BINGO!

“There is absolutely no rational basis to accept any more laws, rules and impositions on our right to “keep and bear arms.”

Advance to the head of the class! Finally, amidst the vocal clamor of post after post decrying the moves FedGov is contemplating to constrict our liberties I finally see a comment that rings truest of all. No threats. No mussin’ about with statistics and definitions or recitations of the constitutinal principles or debates. Just a straightforward response. Beautiful! That’s exactly what must be said to every enforcer and let them decide whether they understand or not. Then Katie bar the door!

I love it!


38 posted on 12/31/2012 7:44:36 PM PST by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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To: chulaivn66

Gentlemen. You may debate all you wish. I kneel for no one. Ever.


39 posted on 12/31/2012 7:52:42 PM PST by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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To: chrisser

Incredibly scary. Unfortunately there is just enough reason to not entirely dismiss this as bunk. However, if this were true why wouldn’t they go public with information so severe - why wouldn’t they go to a more known source? That this person is talking to an obscure blogger and a not so well followed site just doesn’t make sense.

I’m thinking of selling a lot of stuff and putting money in Canadian dollars.


40 posted on 12/31/2012 7:58:15 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: kneehurts

The Finnish President had sworn to never make peace with the Soviets, at their last meeting with Hitler.

When the time came, he resigned. Mannerheim became president, and made an alliance with the Soviets.

The Germans were then followed until they left the country. If they didn’t leave fast enough they became subject to deadly force by their former allies.

Finland was the only democracy to ally with Hitler. Of course, when Hitler and Stalin were allies, They were one of the two democracies to successfully defend against the Socialist combine. The other was the United Kingdom.


41 posted on 12/31/2012 8:33:07 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Navy Patriot

The US send 4 regiments, all infantry, to guard military stores at Murmansk and Vladivostok, armed with Mosin-Nagent rifles (manufactured by Remington for the Tsar). There was concern that German forces would be able to capture the materiel, and with the Bolshies signing a treaty with the Germans, use the materiel against the Allies.

The two regiments near Murmansk were sent south, and gained a great deal of space. Their commanders took instruction from the British official on the scene, to their shame. They set up a network of interlocked fortifications that were very effective against the Red Army.

The two regiments near Vladivostok secured and operated the Trans-Siberian railroad. The Czech Legion was one unit that was able to escape from Soviet Russia.


42 posted on 12/31/2012 8:54:59 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker; Sherman Logan; virgil283; Regulator; Kennard
Excellent historical information, and it gives a perspective on the author's intent here.

Made this thread well worth it.

43 posted on 01/01/2013 8:00:08 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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44 posted on 01/03/2013 10:51:30 AM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should post gun free zone signs on their property and persons.)
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